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Re: The Palantir app helping ICE raids in Minneapolis

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https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=43675045 (showdead on) > This is really over for anyone who opposes us. The Lord saved Donald Trump from assassination and is using him as His instrument. The cognitive dissonance to continue to resist the Will of God and will of the people which are united, is just pure bitterness of loss and defeat. Let's be honest, you aren't gonna believe video, either. It's a matter of litera…

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Re: The Palantir app helping ICE raids in Minneapolis

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> she was clearly deliberately obstructing traffic, You are lying. She waited for the pedestrian to cross. Also, obstructing traffic is not valid reason to be violent against someone. ICE or cops being violent in that situation is them abusing their power big time. So, again, we are back to Brownshirts comparison.

Obstructing justice, and then refusing to comply / resisting arrest will lead to you being forcefully removed. This is in fact a valid reason.

Actually, it is not. Also, she was not obstructing justice, she was on the way to doctor stopped by armed thugs.

Re: The Palantir app helping ICE raids in Minneapolis

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Because I have a kid to take care of. A job I need to keep, and a way of life I'd like to maintain. Because it's not happening where I live (yet). I care about people but I don't give a fuck about my country. It's just a place to live. If it gets too bad I'll move my family elsewhere. Also, this whole checks and balances thing we learned about in school will surely kick in sometime soon...

So you don't do anything because you have a job you need to keep and a kid to take care of, but you're perfectly okay with moving to a completely different country on short notice?

The US, for better or worse, isn't a cohesive country of people interested in a collective, but a smash and grab of economic gains sourced from those who are forced to live in it and cannot flee to developed countries. You come to it, or stay in it, to make more income you would in developed countries at the detriment of everyone else.

Whether you believe the economic human factory farm that is the US is worth saving or preserving will be a function of your lived experience and mental model. "What are you optimizing for?"

Re: The Palantir app helping ICE raids in Minneapolis

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post #161

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> she was clearly deliberately obstructing traffic, You are lying. She waited for the pedestrian to cross. Also, obstructing traffic is not valid reason to be violent against someone. ICE or cops being violent in that situation is them abusing their power big time. So, again, we are back to Brownshirts comparison.

These guys always fall back on "bbbbut Obstructing Traffic!" as if that's a capital offense.

Florida made it one.

https://www.miamiherald.com/news/politics-government/state-p...

> Gov. Ron DeSantis said that drivers will not be at fault if they hit protesters that block roadways in a clip that took social media by storm.

Re: The Palantir app helping ICE raids in Minneapolis

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If you work for Palantir and if you work on these systems: You have blood on your hands. You know that it's not right what is happening on the ground right now. Do something.

Palantir does not work in a vacuum - it requires other technology, platforms and systems to operate and succeed - many of which are designed and maintained by the users of Hacker News. Take a look at Palantir's trust center: https://palantir.safebase.us Schellman did their audit and compliance - do they have blood on their hands? How about AWS, GCP, Azure cloud resources used by Palantir - are they stained, too?

Yes, this is how market economy works. For every organization doing horrible things, literally everyone is a small number of payment-handshakes from it.

No, it doesn't mean that "mr gotcha"[1] argument is valid. You don't have to isolate yourself from society Kaczynski-style to either criticize society or to do something smaller (like choosing who you work for).

[1] https://thenib.com/mister-gotcha/

Re: The Palantir app helping ICE raids in Minneapolis

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If all those things happened in Spain where I live, I'm 99% we'd have actual riots on the streets, together with a lot of other unpleasant-but-needed civilian action, until things got better, like we've done in the past (sometimes maybe went slightly overboard with it, but better than nothing). Why are Americans so passive? You're literally transitioning into straight up authoritarianism, yet where are the riots? How…

American life is so much more distributed than European life. Population density and the gigantic geographic distance make these kinds of events feel "remote" even if they are happening in our same state. It's a 17 hour drive from Atlanta, Georgia to Minneapolis for example. On top of that, a lot of Americans are just barely surviving financially, so they are in full bunker mode just making rent. It's a scary time to…

They weren't comparing the entire US to all of Europe. They were comparing Minneapolis and Spain.

Re: The Palantir app helping ICE raids in Minneapolis

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For an idea as to how this gets translated into the reality on the ground here in Minneapolis this is an article on what’s going on from the main newspaper in the state. > In the past week alone, ICE boxed in a Woodbury real estate agent recording their movements from his car, slammed him to the ground and detained him at the Whipple Federal Building near Fort Snelling for 10 hours. A 51-year-old teacher patrolling t…

If all those things happened in Spain where I live, I'm 99% we'd have actual riots on the streets, together with a lot of other unpleasant-but-needed civilian action, until things got better, like we've done in the past (sometimes maybe went slightly overboard with it, but better than nothing). Why are Americans so passive? You're literally transitioning into straight up authoritarianism, yet where are the riots? How…

To be fair, Minneapolis is raising hell and has been for the last week. There have been many protests in other cities as well.

I would also say that Trump and his cronies would absolutely love if this boils over into a violent riot. That would give them permission to double down.

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Blue cities should have local citizen backed militias under the control of the mayor.

How would that be different from current municipal police forces?

“Under control of the mayor” would be different from many current municipal police forces.

Re: The Palantir app helping ICE raids in Minneapolis

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If all those things happened in Spain where I live, I'm 99% we'd have actual riots on the streets, together with a lot of other unpleasant-but-needed civilian action, until things got better, like we've done in the past (sometimes maybe went slightly overboard with it, but better than nothing). Why are Americans so passive? You're literally transitioning into straight up authoritarianism, yet where are the riots? How…

Because I have a kid to take care of. A job I need to keep, and a way of life I'd like to maintain. Because it's not happening where I live (yet). I care about people but I don't give a fuck about my country. It's just a place to live. If it gets too bad I'll move my family elsewhere. Also, this whole checks and balances thing we learned about in school will surely kick in sometime soon...

> Because I have a kid to take care of. A job I need to keep, and a way of life I'd like to maintain.

Exactly, so why not go out on the streets and actually defend those things then? Currently your (presumed) inaction will cause those to be harmed, you're not "saving those" by saying and doing nothing, you're effectively giving them away if you don't actively protect them.

Re: The Palantir app helping ICE raids in Minneapolis

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If you work for Palantir and if you work on these systems: You have blood on your hands. You know that it's not right what is happening on the ground right now. Do something.

It looks like their CTO is an Indian or Pakistani: https://investors.palantir.com/governance/executive-manageme...

I wonder how he feels about what the administration is doing and how his own work is directly helping them. Surely he is aware of all of the supremacist rhetoric coming from the official Twitter accounts of various government agencies or Elon Musk or Stephen Miller. Surely he has seen the kind of racist abuse that Vivek Ramaswami endured on Twitter, which led to him recently quitting social media.

Doesn’t he see how all of this is going to come for people like himself next?

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