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Post by dawnerd »

stackghost wrote: post #45
oxqbldpxo wrote: post #21

And ppl were worried about China's 1984 style use of Ai, lol. In the end it was greedy software developers that enable this.

This is what happens when one allows oneself to hide in "safe spaces" (like HN) where there's a "no politics" rule enabling people to hide and avoid being confronted with the ramifications of their actions. The entire world runs on technology now. It's all inherently political.

There’s a shockingly large amount of the population that doesn’t want politics period. And that’s how we got here.

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Post by staplers »

treebeard901 wrote: post #201

Blue cities should have local citizen backed militias under the control of the mayor.

The national guard exists for this purpose (state level) but is mostly captured by federal interests.

Local PD's could in effect do something similar but have shown to back the authoritarian-aligned party.

Propaganda has aligned nearly every single level of law enforcement to authoritarianism. I can't see a scenario where this is undone.

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Post by clpwn »

DetectDefect wrote: post #203
chinathrow wrote: post #55

If you work for Palantir and if you work on these systems: You have blood on your hands. You know that it's not right what is happening on the ground right now. Do something.

Palantir does not work in a vacuum - it requires other technology, platforms and systems to operate and succeed - many of which are designed and maintained by the users of Hacker News. Take a look at Palantir's trust center: https://palantir.safebase.us Schellman did their audit and compliance - do they have blood on their hands? How about AWS, GCP, Azure cloud resources used by Palantir - are they stained, too?

Certainly you must be aware that there are not just binary values of morality in life. The obvious answer is yes they are stained, as we all are through our participation in various systems, but with vastly varying amounts.

Is the manufacturer of the bomb responsible for when Israel drops it on a family home in Gaza? Yes. Is it the same responsibility as the general who gave the order? No. Is it the same as the pilot who followed the order? No.

Does that make it useless to hold people accountable? Of course not.

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Post by brightball »

stackghost wrote: post #45
oxqbldpxo wrote: post #21

And ppl were worried about China's 1984 style use of Ai, lol. In the end it was greedy software developers that enable this.

This is what happens when one allows oneself to hide in "safe spaces" (like HN) where there's a "no politics" rule enabling people to hide and avoid being confronted with the ramifications of their actions. The entire world runs on technology now. It's all inherently political.

I'm going to defend the HN "no politics" rule here.

The reason "no politics" zones exist is because there are enough people going out of their way to shout at everybody, everywhere, in every corner of the internet and enough people are tired of it that they flock to...no politics zones. In real life, a person like that confronts you...you remove yourself from the situation, because that person who can't stop shouting at everybody comes across as nuts.

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Post by fnimick »

amrocha wrote: post #205
stackghost wrote: post #119

Earlier quoted context omitted.

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I maybe get where you’re coming from, but what’s the solution to the issue you’re proposing? Screening everyone’s resume before allowing them to comment? What about people who work at companies that deal with Palantir at completely different departments (Microsoft and Xbox)? It’s obviously untenable It is true that some users here spew vile ideology while hiding behind HN intellectual rhetoric. Then posts that unders…

> A particular interaction I had comes to mind. A user here boldly and openly proclaimed he discriminated in interviews against people that look different from him, or that are neurodivergent. Actual illegal behaviour that will get you sued in many countries. I reacted strongly and my post got flagged and I received a comment from the moderation team.

This is the "moderate discourse" problem, where you can express horrendous opinions as long as you are polite, and anyone who reacts emotionally gets criticized instead. You are required to engage these arguments in a detached, logical way as though they have equal intellectual merit, while they advocate for your suffering. This is also why places that enforce moderate discourse tend to become populated with polite fascists.

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Post by ceejayoz »

andruby wrote: post #229
ks2048 wrote: post #89

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Musk tweeted yesterday that speaking hate against the country should be considered treason and lead to being locked-up. It's not hard to shift "anti-American" speech to mean "anti-ICE", anti-current-administration, etc.

Mr "free speech" Musk (/s) If it is this tweet you are referring to, it's about _teaching_ hate, which is only a slight nuance and still a terrible point to make for a self-labeled "free speech absolutist" > Teaching people to hate America fundamentally destroys patriotism and the desire to defend our country. > Such teachings should be viewed as treason and those who do it imprisoned. https://xcancel.com/elonmusk/st…

> it's about _teaching_ hate

Which is free speech, unfortunately.

And a very difficult thing to define, and very clearly not the sort of thing that'd be enforced against, say, the current President no matter how clear the violation.

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Post by DetectDefect »

dawnerd wrote: post #222
DetectDefect wrote: post #203

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Palantir does not work in a vacuum - it requires other technology, platforms and systems to operate and succeed - many of which are designed and maintained by the users of Hacker News. Take a look at Palantir's trust center: https://palantir.safebase.us Schellman did their audit and compliance - do they have blood on their hands? How about AWS, GCP, Azure cloud resources used by Palantir - are they stained, too?

You can’t minimize the damage Palantir is doing with simple whataboutism.

It is in fact the contrary: I am trying to maximize it by pointing out how big tech platforms makes it possible.
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