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Most of the people in the Trump administration are not ideological. They are grifters, in it for money and status. Palantir is probably similar

I'm not sure saying "I don't care if we do fascism as long as it makes me money" is any more morally defensible.

But, I hope, it does point to a weakness, for now.

Re: The Palantir app helping ICE raids in Minneapolis

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I don't know how much people outside of MN know about what's going on, but it's fucking dire here. However bad you think it is, it's worse.

As bad as Chicago?

Here's a recent write-up by a local: https://wburdine.substack.com/p/letter-from-an-occupied-minn...

Re: The Palantir app helping ICE raids in Minneapolis

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For an idea as to how this gets translated into the reality on the ground here in Minneapolis this is an article on what’s going on from the main newspaper in the state. > In the past week alone, ICE boxed in a Woodbury real estate agent recording their movements from his car, slammed him to the ground and detained him at the Whipple Federal Building near Fort Snelling for 10 hours. A 51-year-old teacher patrolling t…

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Re: The Palantir app helping ICE raids in Minneapolis

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If you work for Palantir and if you work on these systems: You have blood on your hands. You know that it's not right what is happening on the ground right now. Do something.

Palantir does not work in a vacuum - it requires other technology, platforms and systems to operate and succeed - many of which are designed and maintained by the users of Hacker News. Take a look at Palantir's trust center: https://palantir.safebase.us Schellman did their audit and compliance - do they have blood on their hands? How about AWS, GCP, Azure cloud resources used by Palantir - are they stained, too?

The ironworker making steel plates for tanks and ships has a hell of a lot less moral culpability than the engineer designing shells.

Re: The Palantir app helping ICE raids in Minneapolis

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Evil X thing happened; therefore, do evil Y thing - go fuck yourself.

[this is a reply to fourseventy] Looking up the violent crime rates by migrants in places like MN, it's effectively zero. As a rule, migrants and immigrants don't commit crimes at anything close to the rate of native US citizens. Meanwhile in Minneapolis, the overwhelming majority of violent crimes (including aggravated assaults, theft, murders and sexual assaults) are being committed by ICE agents.

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This is what happens when one allows oneself to hide in "safe spaces" (like HN) where there's a "no politics" rule enabling people to hide and avoid being confronted with the ramifications of their actions. The entire world runs on technology now. It's all inherently political.

>"no politics" No politics is a privilege that many do not have.

But chatting with absolute strangers about random tech-adjacent topics is an inherently privileged activity. So let's just say the privilege needed to do that is large enough that it also gives you the privilege to not talk about politics.

"My children are starving. Militants have surrounded our village. But let me pop into HN for a bit and drop my hot take on the San Remo Pasta Measurer."

Re: The Palantir app helping ICE raids in Minneapolis

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If you work for Palantir and if you work on these systems: You have blood on your hands. You know that it's not right what is happening on the ground right now. Do something.

The particular problem here is the vast majority of people that are writing this software 1. Don't care, blood is great. 2. Think they are the good guys. 3. Are more worried about their next paycheck and having bad things happen to them related to not paying rent.

I'd like to invite you to prove any three of your points.

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"Blocking traffic" is at this point a tired trope. Any sort of disruptive action is described as "blocking traffic", which is somehow framed as a form of violence. (My favorite version is when people argue that it is a form of unlawful detention akin to kidnapping.) This would be more accurately framed as "parking illegally", which is the sort of thing for which you occasionally get a ticket placed under your windshi…

Purposely moving your car in front of law enforcement officers' cars to prevent them from arresting a suspect is in fact obstruction. This is not "violence", but you will be arrested if you do this. If you resist arrest, you will be forcefully arrested/apprehended. If you then attempt potentially life-threatening physical harm to the officer you will likely be met with deadly force.

Re: The Palantir app helping ICE raids in Minneapolis

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I maybe get where you’re coming from, but what’s the solution to the issue you’re proposing? Screening everyone’s resume before allowing them to comment? What about people who work at companies that deal with Palantir at completely different departments (Microsoft and Xbox)? It’s obviously untenable It is true that some users here spew vile ideology while hiding behind HN intellectual rhetoric. Then posts that unders…

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