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Re: Marie Curie Day

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Post by dotborg2 »

jgrahamc wrote: post #22
wowoc wrote: post #18

Why do people always omit the "Skłodowska" part? She has used her maiden name through all her life and always identified with her Polish origins, so it might be a little bit disrespectful. There simply are too many signs that she would want to be remembered as Marie Skłodowska-Curie, not just Marie Curie.

In my case I plead ignorance. I grew up knowing her as Marie Curie and not as Marie Skłodowska-Curie. Who does one pronounce Skłodowska?

yet you did not fix your mistake in your article title, guess you have a lot of fun

imagine yourself having fun with your ignorance of some jewish scientist, it's exactly the same problem, even though more Poles died during WWII than jews

Re: Marie Curie Day

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Post by Surio »

jimhefferon wrote: post #28
Surio wrote: post #4

Agreed! Our school curriculum covered Marie Curie on multiple subjects: Chemistry and English (her biography made for inspirational reading) and by contrast, Lovelace has had what one would call "honourable mention" ;-) I keep referring back to this topic more and more these days... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stiglers_law_of_eponymy

Link shoud be to http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stigler%27s_law_of_eponymy

Thank you, kindly. :)

Re: Marie Curie Day

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Post by CKKim »

I had read about Lovelace in Doron Swade's works on Babbage, and for a long time was "that guy" who would come into CS love-ins and attempt to correct what I believed at the time were gross exaggerations of her contributions to the field. Eventually I learned to keep my mouth shut since it was usually met with hostility, and more importantly I'm not arrogant enough to think that what I had read by one author is going to be right.

The summary of Lovelace in the OP brought this back to mind as it is exactly what my stance had been when I'd ditched it for the more conservative "well I guess I don't really know". I never looked into it again until now. Does anyone have a recommendation for a balanced modern summary of her contribution?

I believe most of what I had read by Swade was written before she was as popular in the CS community as she now is, and when I raised his points in discussion I was usually told he was widely regarded to hold a grudge against her for some reason no-one really understood.

Re: Marie Curie Day

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Post by [deleted] »

jgrahamc wrote: post #6
marquis wrote: post #5

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>we apparently only can have one woman in science. Why not have two? I don't accept the premise of the article that Marie Curie isn't celebrated in her own right. I'd say you'd be hard-pressed to find a woman in any science who isn't aware of both of these women's contributions along with Grace Hopper, Rosalind Franklin and others. >why do women have to be their own category at all? Well, among the many many reasons…

> I don't accept the premise the article that Marie Curie isn't celebrated in her own right. That's not the premise of my article. The premise is that Marie Curie would make a much better figurehead than Ada Lovelace.

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Re: Marie Curie Day

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Post by ajuc »

zbyszek wrote: post #42
zalew wrote: post #11

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> She's a hero here in France and obviously in Poland. But here we call her with her full Polish(hers)-French(husband) name, not only the French part. a new bridge in Warsaw was recently named after her http://goo.gl/maps/Y1X5d

And there is a university in Lublin named after her too.

I've graduated it :)

It was created as communist-approved alternative to KUL(Catholic University of Lublin - the only university independent from communist government in 1944-1989 Poland). Now it's the other way around (KUL is heavily influenced by catholic church, and umcs is more-or-less independent).

BTW - my university uses French order of writting Maria name "Uniwersytet Marii Curie-Skłodowskiej w Lublinie". Maria sometimes used French order (with husband surname first), and sometimes used Polish order (with husband surname second), but rarely skipped "Skłodowska" altogether.

Re: Marie Curie Day

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Post by ajuc »

b0rsuk wrote: post #29
mbq wrote: post #20

Maria Skłodowska-Curie, to be exact. She moved to France and married there, but never rejected her Polish origins. In fact she supported Polish independence, founded a scientific institute in Warsaw and named one of the elements she discovered after Poland.

While she was born Maria Salomea Skłodowska, she studied in Paris and Sorbonne. She was denied higher education in Poland because she was a woman . Later, University of Kraków also rejected her, because she was a woman . It's not nice, but I think it's OK to call her a French scientist. Poland clearly didn't want her. It is an old tradition that best polish scientists, athletes and inventors go abroad. They're not va…

She was denied education in Poland occupied by Russians, and Austrians (never tried in Prussian occupied part, IIRC).

What she learnt in Poland she learnt from Polish teachers that taught Poles secretly in homes (because it was forbidden to teach some subjects - not only to woman, but to anyone - for example Polish history).

And she was always supportive of Polish independence, named Polonium after Poland, kept her name after mariage to associate with Poland. Wouldn't happen if she had problems with Poland, don't you think?

I think you project modern problems on historical situation.

Re: Marie Curie Day

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Post by ajuc »

dotborg2 wrote: post #51
jgrahamc wrote: post #22

Earlier quoted context omitted.

In my case I plead ignorance. I grew up knowing her as Marie Curie and not as Marie Skłodowska-Curie. Who does one pronounce Skłodowska?

yet you did not fix your mistake in your article title, guess you have a lot of fun imagine yourself having fun with your ignorance of some jewish scientist, it's exactly the same problem, even though more Poles died during WWII than jews

Chill out. No need to explain by bad will, what can be perfectly well explained by ignorance.

BTW counting victims is really bad style. Most were Polish Jews, and how you count them depends on what you want to prove.

Re: Marie Curie Day

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Post by wowoc »

b0rsuk wrote: post #29
mbq wrote: post #20

Maria Skłodowska-Curie, to be exact. She moved to France and married there, but never rejected her Polish origins. In fact she supported Polish independence, founded a scientific institute in Warsaw and named one of the elements she discovered after Poland.

While she was born Maria Salomea Skłodowska, she studied in Paris and Sorbonne. She was denied higher education in Poland because she was a woman . Later, University of Kraków also rejected her, because she was a woman . It's not nice, but I think it's OK to call her a French scientist. Poland clearly didn't want her. It is an old tradition that best polish scientists, athletes and inventors go abroad. They're not va…

Poland was under Russian and German occupation then. Well, your argument is invalid. If you had read the first three paragraphs of the Wikipedia article, you would have known how wrong you are. Marie Skłodowska-Curie has always acknowledged her Polish origins and supported Poland's struggle for independence.
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