Earlier quoted context omitted.
I assume strongly, in 3 years the prices will have dropped a lot again.
Because of increased supply or reduced demand?
Rather increased supply I assume.
Anthropic: Developing a Claude Code competitor using Claude Code is banned
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Re: Anthropic: Developing a Claude Code competitor using Claude Code is banned
#102This message from the Zed discord (from a zed staffer) puts it clearly, I think: “….you can use Claude code in Zed but you can’t hijack the rate limits to do other ai stuff in zed.” This was a response to my asking whether we can use the Claude Max subscription for the awesome inline assistant (Ctl+Enter in the editor buffer) without having to pay for yet another metered API. The answer is no, the above was a respons…
yeah, but no,
I mean they could have put _exactly_ that into their terms of service.
Hijacking rate limits is also never really legal AFIK.
Re: Anthropic: Developing a Claude Code competitor using Claude Code is banned
#103Earlier quoted context omitted.
> You can use Claude Code to write code to make a competitor for Claude Code. No, the ToS literally says you cannot.
Does it mean it will be outright banned in China? Otherwise I see DeepCode coming...
It already is. https://www.anthropic.com/news/updating-restrictions-of-sale...
And Anthropic really goes out their way in banning China. Other model providers do a decent job at restricting access in general but look away when someone tries to circumvent those restrictions. But Claude uses extra mechanisms to make it hard. And the CEO was on record about China issues: https://www.cnbc.com/2025/05/01/nvidia-and-anthropic-clash-o...
Re: Anthropic: Developing a Claude Code competitor using Claude Code is banned
#104I am _much_ more interested in i. building cool software for other things and ii. understanding underlying underlying models than building "better claude code".
if its so easy make software, why wouldnt you also make a claude code?
Re: Anthropic: Developing a Claude Code competitor using Claude Code is banned
#105Earlier quoted context omitted.
Because Claude Code is not a profitable business, it's a loss leader to get you to use the rest of their token inference business. If you were to pay for Claude Code by using the normal API, it would be at least 5x the cost, if not more.
source: pulled out of your a**
he may not be entirely correct, but Claude Code plans are significantly better than the API plan, 100$ plan may not be as cost effective but for 18$ you can get like 5x usage of the API plan.
Re: Anthropic: Developing a Claude Code competitor using Claude Code is banned
#106Doesn't this make using Claude Agents SDK dangerous?
Suppose I wrote custom agent which performs tasks for a niche industry, wouldn't it be considered as "building a competing service", because their Service is performing Agentic tasks via Claude Code
Re: Anthropic: Developing a Claude Code competitor using Claude Code is banned
#107"You are not allowed to use words found in our book to write your own book if you read our book."
Anthropic has just entered the "for laying down and avoiding" category.
Re: Anthropic: Developing a Claude Code competitor using Claude Code is banned
#108I still did not get very clearly what can and can’t zed, open code and other do to use max plan? Developers want to use these 3p client and pay you 200 a month, why are you pissing us off. I understand some abuser exists but you will never really be possible to ban them 100%, technically. Very poor communication, despite some bit of reasonable intention, could be the beginning of the end for Claude Code.
my guess? they lose money on 200/month plan, maybe even quite a bit. So that plan only exist to subsidize their editor. Could be about the typical "all must be under our control" power fantasies companies have. But if there really is "no moat" and open model will be competitive just in a matter of time then having "the" coding editor might be majorly relevant for driving sales. Ironically they seem to already have ki…
I'd say _yes_. This is my `npx ccusage` (reads the .claude folder) since nov 20th:
│ Total │ │ 3,884,609 │ 3,723,258 │ 215,832,272 │ 3,956,313,197 │ 4,179,753,336 │ $3150.99 │
It calculates tokens & public API pricing. But also Anthropic models are generally more expensive than others, so I guess its sort of 'self made' value? Some of it?
Re: Anthropic: Developing a Claude Code competitor using Claude Code is banned
#109This whole situation is getting out of hand. With the development speed AI has it is a matter of time to have a competitor that has 80% what CC does and it is going to be good enough for most of us. Trying Windows the way into this category by Anthropic is not the smartest move.
> that has 80% what CC does OpenCode already does 120% of what CC does.
I absolutely love the amount of control opencode gives me. And ability to use Codex, Qwen and Gemini models gives it a massive advantage over Claude Code.
Re: Anthropic: Developing a Claude Code competitor using Claude Code is banned
#110I still did not get very clearly what can and can’t zed, open code and other do to use max plan? Developers want to use these 3p client and pay you 200 a month, why are you pissing us off. I understand some abuser exists but you will never really be possible to ban them 100%, technically. Very poor communication, despite some bit of reasonable intention, could be the beginning of the end for Claude Code.
I bet a lot of the tokens go unused each month. The per token cost is pretty high for the api access