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Anthropic: Developing a Claude Code competitor using Claude Code is banned

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Re: Anthropic: Developing a Claude Code competitor using Claude Code is banned

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Post by with »

I think there are issues with Anthropic (and their ToS); however, banning the "harnesses" is justified. If you're relying on scraping a web UI or reverse-engineering private APIs to bypass per-token costs, it's just VC subsidy arbitrage. The consumer plan has a different purpose.

The ToS is concerning, I have concerns with Anthropic in general, but this policy enforcement is not problematic to me.

(yes, I know, Anthropic's entire business is technically built on scraping. but ideally, the open web only)

Re: Anthropic: Developing a Claude Code competitor using Claude Code is banned

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Aurornis wrote: post #33
starkeeper wrote: post #5

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This comes up in every thread but nobody can advance an argument about how this passes the basic conspiracy theory test: If they’re vacuuming up all the IP that comes in even when the user sets it to off, it must be going into a giant data store somewhere. There must be a large number of engineers and managers involved in all of the processes that get the data from the client to the cloud to the data store, all of wh…

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Re: Anthropic: Developing a Claude Code competitor using Claude Code is banned

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Post by huevosabio »

ctoth wrote: post #11

I was all set to be pissed off, "you can't tell me what I can make with your product once you've sold it to me!" but no... This outrage bait hinges on the definition of "use" You can use Claude Code to write code to make a competitor for Claude Code. What you cannot do is reverse engineer the way the Claude Code harness uses the API to build your own version that taps into stuff like the max plan. Which? makes sense?…

Yes, I think this makes sense. I think if you are paying by token w/ an API key, then you're good to go, but if you're hijacking their login system then that's a different story.

Re: Anthropic: Developing a Claude Code competitor using Claude Code is banned

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Post by bingaweek »

Aurornis wrote: post #33
starkeeper wrote: post #5

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This comes up in every thread but nobody can advance an argument about how this passes the basic conspiracy theory test: If they’re vacuuming up all the IP that comes in even when the user sets it to off, it must be going into a giant data store somewhere. There must be a large number of engineers and managers involved in all of the processes that get the data from the client to the cloud to the data store, all of wh…

Meta did this and got caught. It's one search away. Did you make chatgpt write all that gibberish?

Re: Anthropic: Developing a Claude Code competitor using Claude Code is banned

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Post by behnamoh »

ctoth wrote: post #11

I was all set to be pissed off, "you can't tell me what I can make with your product once you've sold it to me!" but no... This outrage bait hinges on the definition of "use" You can use Claude Code to write code to make a competitor for Claude Code. What you cannot do is reverse engineer the way the Claude Code harness uses the API to build your own version that taps into stuff like the max plan. Which? makes sense?…

> You can use Claude Code to write code to make a competitor for Claude Code.

No, the ToS literally says you cannot.

Re: Anthropic: Developing a Claude Code competitor using Claude Code is banned

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Post by Scarbutt »

fgonzag wrote: post #18
falloutx wrote: post #12

Opencode is much better anyway and it doesnt change its workflow every couple weeks.

Yeah, honestly this is a bad move on anthropic's part. I don't think their moat is as big as they think it is. They are competing against opencode + ACP + every other model out there, and there are quite a few good ones (even open weight ones). Opus might be currently the best model out there, and CC might be the best tool out of the commercial alternatives, but once someone switches to open code + multiple model pro…

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Re: Anthropic: Developing a Claude Code competitor using Claude Code is banned

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Post by Spooky23 »

pdpi wrote: post #34
zzzeek wrote: post #23

Earlier quoted context omitted.

not really. Here's their own product clarifying: Based on the terms, Section 3, subsection 2 prohibits using Claude/Anthropic's Services: "To develop any products or services that compete with our Services, including to develop or train any artificial intelligence or machine learning algorithms or models or resell the Services." Clarification: This restriction is specifically about competitive use - you cannot use Cl…

This seems reasonable at first glance, but imagine applying it to other development tools — "You can't use Xcode/Visual Studio/IntelliJ to build a commercial IDE", "You can't use ICC/MSVC to build a commercial C/C++ compiler", etc.

In this case it’s “You can’t use our technology to teach your thinking machine from our stealing of other people’s work, because our AI is just learning stuff, not stealing, and you are stealing from us, because we say so.”

Re: Anthropic: Developing a Claude Code competitor using Claude Code is banned

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Post by d4rkp4ttern »

This message from the Zed discord (from a zed staffer) puts it clearly, I think:

“….you can use Claude code in Zed but you can’t hijack the rate limits to do other ai stuff in zed.”

This was a response to my asking whether we can use the Claude Max subscription for the awesome inline assistant (Ctl+Enter in the editor buffer) without having to pay for yet another metered API.

The answer is no, the above was a response to a follow up.

An aside - everyone is abuzz about “Chat to Code” which is a great interface when you are leaning toward never or only occasionally looking at the generated code. But for writing prose? It’s safe to say most people definitely want to be looking at what’s written, and in this case “chat” is not the best interaction. Something like the inline assistant where you are immersed in the writing is far better.

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