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Eulogy for Dark Sky, a data visualization masterpiece (2023)

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Re: Eulogy for Dark Sky, a data visualization masterpiece (2023)

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Oh how I miss DarkSky, and accuracy in weather apps in general. I have no idea if it is AI or just enshitification, but wow, local temps are just always way off with Apple Weather and most other apps. This is important to me because I live in my van and I am talking about these apps being off 5 to 10 degrees. The only one that comes close is Accuweather but their interface is horrific. And forget about the widgets...…

If you are on iPhone and can afford it, Carrot Weather can show you Accuweather with Dark Sky’s interface.

Re: Eulogy for Dark Sky, a data visualization masterpiece (2023)

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post #103
post #31

Oh how I miss DarkSky, and accuracy in weather apps in general. I have no idea if it is AI or just enshitification, but wow, local temps are just always way off with Apple Weather and most other apps. This is important to me because I live in my van and I am talking about these apps being off 5 to 10 degrees. The only one that comes close is Accuweather but their interface is horrific. And forget about the widgets...…

Checkout forecast advisor. It ranks forecasting services for a location and gives you a summary forecast based on all the different services for that location. Whenever I travel I find it pretty helpful. Certain services are just garbage in some areas. For example, Foreca is like 84% accurate for my home location, but it's only 60% accurate for one of the cabins I frequent.

Unfortunately doesn’t include Apple Weather or AccuWeather so not as useful to me, but top at my location is only 81%.

Re: Eulogy for Dark Sky, a data visualization masterpiece (2023)

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Dark Sky was a marvel, and when it first came out, its ability to say rain will start where you are in 2-3 minutes was a marvel. The information design argument is 100% valid, but I also marvel that, having bought the company, Apple's weather app still isn't as precise or accurate. I don't know whether Apple's privacy focus prevents them making the same precise predictions, or if there is some other reason they don't…

> Apple's weather app still isn't as precise or accurate Is it not? The rainfall-per-minute over the next hour on iOS seems about the same accuracy as Dark Sky had -- I used Dark Sky for years. It wasn't perfect but it worked well enough, same as iOS did after. You can even scrub the precipitation map predictions and they look the same to me. I know the Dark Sky prediction accuracy was greatly dependent on where you…

Anecdotally, I agree with the parent comment.

Lived in the same general area (just outside a major metropolitan area) where I use DarkSky and now Apple Weather app.

DarkSky has better data vis and more reliable prediction. Apple Weather consistently over predicts snow fall amounts and many times I’ve had to use the Feedback to correct it on current conditions (e.g. raining when it says no rain or vice versa). I believe DarkSky had the same feedback feature but I never needed it this much.

Most of the time AW is fine but it’s less good to the point I’ve considered alternatives.

Re: Eulogy for Dark Sky, a data visualization masterpiece (2023)

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They've also got a developer interface - https://developer.yr.no One of the things that I've seen with them that I haven't seen with others is the cloud cover by layer. https://www.yr.no/en/details/graph/2-6301678/United%20States... https://www.yr.no/en/details/table/2-6301678/United%20States... For doing photography (sunsets) there's a significant difference between 50% high clouds and 50% low clouds.

I know that this is shameless self-promotion, but maybe this could interest you: https://sunsethue.com/ :)

Nice to see how much you've developed Sunsethue over the last two years! I remember I built myself some custom alert logic back with your API even before the public launch :)

A year and a half or something later.. I recently started a project of my own trying to bring all "weather dependent" photo opportunities together in one place, if you wouldn't mind I would be happy to experiment with bringing Sunsethue data to https://photoweather.app - your prediction model is certainly a lot more sophisticated than mine and it would be very cool to offer that

Re: Eulogy for Dark Sky, a data visualization masterpiece (2023)

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Yes, this is what I meant. I don't know what the notification thresholds are, so I use the fact that I'm getting a notification at all as a proxy for accuracy.

Got it. Yeah, where I am it's usually pretty obvious that it's probably going to rain in the next hour or two, so I look at the chart to see exactly when. I don't rely on notifications. So for me the accuracy seems the same. But if you're basing it on notifications then I could totally see why you could have a different impression. I think -- and I might be wrong, since this is from over a decade ago -- that when I f…

Back then (2010-2013ish) I was driving a motorcycle primarily so I was hyper aware of the immediate weather and Dark Sky was like magic in that use case.

Re: Eulogy for Dark Sky, a data visualization masterpiece (2023)

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Great rec! Thanks! See also Windy.app (a paid app w/ great dataviz, dx, and robust set of data sources).

for what it's worth, most people i know prefer windy.com over windy.app Windy.app is for wind based water activities. Windy.com is a data-heavy weather information site.

As a windsurfer, wingfoiler, and kitesurfer i can only say that both Windy.app a nd Windy.com are awesome. Like the ability to compare different models easily.

Re: Eulogy for Dark Sky, a data visualization masterpiece (2023)

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> Apple's weather app still isn't as precise or accurate Is it not? The rainfall-per-minute over the next hour on iOS seems about the same accuracy as Dark Sky had -- I used Dark Sky for years. It wasn't perfect but it worked well enough, same as iOS did after. You can even scrub the precipitation map predictions and they look the same to me. I know the Dark Sky prediction accuracy was greatly dependent on where you…

Probably depends on where you are, but here in Europe I always joke that you should prepare for the exact opposite of what apple weather tells you. A lot of times I’m literary standing in the rain and Apple tells me the chance for rain is 0%

That is basically my impression here in the US PNW. If it tells me rain is about to start at my location, the one thing I know with 100% certainty is that rain is not about to start any time soon.

Re: Eulogy for Dark Sky, a data visualization masterpiece (2023)

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Fortunately someone recreated a clone at https://merrysky.net , which was featured [1] on HN some time ago. I've used it daily since. [1] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=34155191

Inspired by MerrySky: https://weather-sense.leftium.com

Some differences:

- Shows weather from yesterday for comparison

- All hourly plot trackers connected; not just the top one

- Includes AQI

- Sky color visualization (try scrubbing across dawn/dusk!)

- Non-precipitation colors approximate sky color (haziness)

- Temperature variation visualized both spatially and with colors

- Data source is Open Meteo

- Planned: 60 minutely forecast like https://openweathermap.org

Re: Eulogy for Dark Sky, a data visualization masterpiece (2023)

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Fortunately someone recreated a clone at https://merrysky.net , which was featured [1] on HN some time ago. I've used it daily since. [1] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=34155191

Thx bro. I stumbled into this thread thinking it was about something else, and left with a new favorite weather bookmark. Nice things: - Loads fast - Nice vis of both today and week - Can mouse over the visualizations to get precise readouts.

You might also like https://weather-sense.leftium.com

Re: Eulogy for Dark Sky, a data visualization masterpiece (2023)

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Among all the destruction Apple has wrought when they killed DarkSky, they also failed to bring back the weather history feature. You could go back decades and see the weather anytime, anywhere. I miss it so.

https://weather-sense.leftium.com shows the past two days of weather, could be configured to show up to 90.

- The data is from https://open-meteo.com

- It would be trivial to connect the historical weather API (back to 1940): https://openmeteo.substack.com/p/processing-90-tb-historical...

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