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Re: Let's call a murder a murder

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Post by lcnPylGDnU4H9OF »

rozap wrote: post #117
renewiltord wrote: post #7

I’ll just say that I fully expect American police to shoot people in that situation. Not because it’s justified but because their whole deal is: “Sir, stop resisting. I gave you a lawful order” “Sir, sir, BANG BANG” “I feared for my life” It’s like a pitbull, right? It’s right there most of the time. Then one day it eats a baby. But you kind of knew it had baby eating ready to go. It’s sitting there ready to eat babi…

"she was asking for it" but with murder. Cool argument. Embarrassing what level of discourse this site has fallen to.

> Embarrassing what level of discourse this site has fallen to.

Indeed.

> Please respond to the strongest plausible interpretation of what someone says, not a weaker one that's easier to criticize. Assume good faith.

> "she was asking for it"

Another way to, er interpret their comment could be, "This tragic outcome was predictable." It does not blame the victim, it is an observation.

Re: Let's call a murder a murder

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Post by iugtmkbdfil834 »

fzeroracer wrote: post #199
iugtmkbdfil834 wrote: post #197

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The more I see of those videos, the more I am starting to understand previous generations' contempt for hippies. The difference is hippies actually believed in something.

If you see these kind of things and immediately jump to a conclusion like this then I'm going to have to agree with SpicyLemonZest in their earlier discussions with you. I hope you stay as the 'right citizen' per your own argument lest the boot comes for you too.

If you actually look at that conversation then you know it is not exactly immediately, but based on evidence as it trickles down. I personally think your 'side' is missing forest for the trees.

Since that is the case, allow me to spell it out for you. Antics of middleaged, overindulged woman, who was so comfortable that they thought she was virtually untouchable have gone mainstream. Do I get to stop ATF or IRS from performing their operations? No? Why is ICE different then? Because you don't agree with them?

So, the choice is now to either normalize those antics, normalize excessive police force or some sort of reasonable middle ground.

But what do I get? Insults and thinly veiled threats that once dems get into power, I will rue the day.

Get off your high horse and realize that you are encouraging civil war for a retard, who thought they could do whatever they want and face no consequences. Welcome to the real world.

Re: Let's call a murder a murder

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Post by ndsipa_pomu »

Something that isn't being addressed is why/how the ICE agents prevented medical treatment for the victim which may or may not have been life-saving. That seems like a level beyond war-crimes (e.g. sides usually agree to allow medical personnel access to wounded soldiers).

Re: Let's call a murder a murder

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Post by ndsipa_pomu »

tda wrote: post #149

The sharpest (and scariest) analysis I've encountered is this: the administration governs as though no government will ever follow. The blanket pardons for January 6th insurrectionists, the revocation of Secret Service protection for political enemies—these are not the actions of someone who expects to face accountability from a future administration. And that's precisely the point. Trump is not governing recklessly;…

Also, the proposed expansion of the White House doesn't align with the interests of Trump leaving at the end of his second term as it would have barely been finished by then. He does not seem like the type of person who would do something that only benefits someone else.

(My conspiracy-inspired theory is that they are working on the underground bunker there with the understanding that it may soon be in use when war breaks out)

Re: Let's call a murder a murder

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Post by iugtmkbdfil834 »

thefz wrote: post #193
metaphysicalyes wrote: post #105

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The current administration has made clear that right or wrong is the question of which side has more power. And appeal to human morals has lost its power in dopamine addled society rife with mental issues. To assert their will people resort to alternative means.

So it's either black or white for you.

There is just so much racism in the worldsad panda.

Re: Let's call a murder a murder

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Post by fzeroracer »

iugtmkbdfil834 wrote: post #202
fzeroracer wrote: post #199

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If you see these kind of things and immediately jump to a conclusion like this then I'm going to have to agree with SpicyLemonZest in their earlier discussions with you. I hope you stay as the 'right citizen' per your own argument lest the boot comes for you too.

If you actually look at that conversation then you know it is not exactly immediately, but based on evidence as it trickles down. I personally think your 'side' is missing forest for the trees. Since that is the case, allow me to spell it out for you. Antics of middleaged, overindulged woman, who was so comfortable that they thought she was virtually untouchable have gone mainstream. Do I get to stop ATF or IRS from…

Thank you for proving my point. In one scenario, you argue that ICE has the right to perform an extrajudicial murder because he felt threatened by a car. In this scenario, you defend ICE hitting someone with their car whose only crime was walking nearby. Your only consistent belief is that anything that ICE does is justified. The kind of person you are is incredibly clear.

Re: Let's call a murder a murder

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Post by dxxmxnd »

KittenInABox wrote: post #148
culi wrote: post #88

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Around the world, anti-immigrant sentiment is a minority viewpoint. At least it was in 2019 https://www.pewresearch.org/global-migration-and-demography/...

Neat, this goes against my understanding that anti-immigrant is a rising sentiment. Thanks for informing me of this.

I also think that anti-immigrant is a rising sentiment, and a lot can change in six years so I don’t think this discounts that feeling.

Re: Let's call a murder a murder

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Post by iugtmkbdfil834 »

fzeroracer wrote: post #206
iugtmkbdfil834 wrote: post #202

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If you actually look at that conversation then you know it is not exactly immediately, but based on evidence as it trickles down. I personally think your 'side' is missing forest for the trees. Since that is the case, allow me to spell it out for you. Antics of middleaged, overindulged woman, who was so comfortable that they thought she was virtually untouchable have gone mainstream. Do I get to stop ATF or IRS from…

Thank you for proving my point. In one scenario, you argue that ICE has the right to perform an extrajudicial murder because he felt threatened by a car. In this scenario, you defend ICE hitting someone with their car whose only crime was walking nearby. Your only consistent belief is that anything that ICE does is justified. The kind of person you are is incredibly clear.

Oh? What kind of a person am I? Or maybe more interestingly, what kind of a person should I be? The second question is more interesting as it is intended to elicit your hopes and dreams.

Re: Let's call a murder a murder

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Post by bananabiscuit »

tstrimple wrote: post #122
hairofadog wrote: post #93

They have released a version of the masked agent's bodycam. Seems to be another Rorschach test: they released it because they think it's exculpatory, but to my eyes it's even worse. He's engaged in a petty argument with the driver, tries to block her car with his body as she drives away, shoots her, then says "fuckin' bitch!" after he's killed her. https://bsky.app/profile/thetnholler.bsky.social/post/3mbz3v...

I wish this video would put an end to the claims that she was blocking traffic. This video makes it clear that the very person who shot her was the one who blocked traffic. She was trying to get around that vehicle. Unfortunately I know it won't.

https://x.com/i/status/2010037103665787019
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