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Re: Let's call a murder a murder

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I really have no idea how a human being can look at this video and not see a murder. I'm frightened of you.

That’s interesting, because I’m actually also frightened. But the thing that scares me is how quick everyone wants to jump to conclusions as long as it supports their existing world view.

Jump to conclusions like triple-tapping a soccer mom?

Re: Let's call a murder a murder

#192

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Would you support shooting the ICE driver who made vehicle contact with the protestors when trying to make way? Another scenario, imagine your family member pulling out her parked car when a group of masked gunmen with "POLICE" in very honest-to-god letters printed on their jacket emerge and surround the car. Your family member feels scared as couple of them approach her side door shouting to come out. She finds an o…

You describe a very unfortunate situation, and it’s the reason why impersonating an officer is such a serious crime. In the case at hand, however, there is no mistaken identity. I think for there to be any chance for government officers to do their jobs, and for there to not be any pointless deaths, their authority should never be challenged in the streets, and if they do abuse that authority, the officer should be s…

> their authority should never be challenged in the streets

What if it’s the only way to save your life or the life of another innocent?

Re: Let's call a murder a murder

#193
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> And it's flagged, of course. > Will somebody vouch for this? It's a false dichotomy and this mode of black/white thinking is everywhere online. Unless you agree 100% with every single atom and detail of >THING X Had a similar discussion in the thread for the hacker doxxing conservative dating sites: while I disagree with white supremacists I still think doxxing people online is wrong (for both sides). And for Grube…

The current administration has made clear that right or wrong is the question of which side has more power. And appeal to human morals has lost its power in dopamine addled society rife with mental issues. To assert their will people resort to alternative means.

So it's either black or white for you.

Re: Let's call a murder a murder

#194

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I haven't seen 2nd and 3rd shots from the side window. What video and what time code?

You claim to have no information about the shots fired yet you assert "I suspect most never watched the video in detail or interpreted it with hindsight." This kind of asymmetric warfare soliciting unequal effort from others during a discussion is a pattern of troll bots or their human equivalent. I am not willing to engage further if you are unwilling to do a web search.

You made a claim about where the 2nd and 3rd shots were fired from. The onus of proof is on you. If you check my other comments you can see I link to the timecodes in specific videos. FFS I did it two comments up in this thread. You're the one waging "asymmetric warfare".

Re: Let's call a murder a murder

#195

Just found: "The agent who shot a woman in Minneapolis on Wednesday was pulled about 100 yards by a car last year while firing a stun gun at the driver." So, this is a trend.

It doesn't make any sense to me why an agent would deliberately put themselves at the front of a car if they'd previously been in such an incident (presumably they weren't hurt by the previous incident). Anyone with a functioning brain would surely have much better awareness of their positioning and should be following the guidance to approach from the side.

Also, I thought there was very clear guidance about not discharging guns towards unarmed drivers as it doesn't tend to stop them and is likely to result in the vehicle being accelerated into someone/something.

Re: Let's call a murder a murder

#197

I feel like posting this up top for context [1]. This is an example of someone actually getting hit by a car, from an ICE agent driving with clear intent to harm someone while laughing about it. I would assume that everyone who believes Renee was committing vehicular assault would agree that this is also a case of vehicular assault, and the agent in question should be charged with attempted murder. [1] https://www.re…

The more I see of those videos, the more I am starting to understand previous generations' contempt for hippies. The difference is hippies actually believed in something.

Re: Let's call a murder a murder

#198

Does the administration's interpretation of this incident (i.e. self-defense) mean that it is now okay to fire at drivers that may (or may not) be about to drive too close to you?

As you migth expect, their position is contradictory, working in their favor either way. They have passed bills making it legal to run over people as long as those people aren't members of the tribe:

G.O.P. Bills Target Protesters (and Absolve Motorists Who Hit Them) https://www.nytimes.com/2021/04/21/us/politics/republican-an...

"Stand your ground" laws often work the same way: https://www.pbs.org/wgbh/frontline/article/is-there-racial-b...

Re: Let's call a murder a murder

#199

I feel like posting this up top for context [1]. This is an example of someone actually getting hit by a car, from an ICE agent driving with clear intent to harm someone while laughing about it. I would assume that everyone who believes Renee was committing vehicular assault would agree that this is also a case of vehicular assault, and the agent in question should be charged with attempted murder. [1] https://www.re…

The more I see of those videos, the more I am starting to understand previous generations' contempt for hippies. The difference is hippies actually believed in something.

If you see these kind of things and immediately jump to a conclusion like this then I'm going to have to agree with SpicyLemonZest in their earlier discussions with you. I hope you stay as the 'right citizen' per your own argument lest the boot comes for you too.

Re: Let's call a murder a murder

#200
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And it's flagged, of course. Will somebody vouch for this? I know what you're thinking. This doesn't encourage curiosity! This is politics! Same old, same old. HN! Come on, how myopic must you be to not see that a working democracy is a condition sine qua non of your dear curiosity. You see what's happening in Iran, right? Well, they don't! Put your glasses on, HN, you're not seeing shit.

Why does vouching require a certain threshold of accountability to perform but reporting can be done by anyone?
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