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Re: Let's call a murder a murder

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Post by lovich »

cryptochamorro wrote: post #16
lovich wrote: post #6

I feel no shame in anything I felt about Charlie Kirk’s death after seeing their response to this, and that looks like it was a team kill from conservatives. One side of the political aisle in this country is screaming about how violent the other side is, while they are committing murder and telling us that our eyes are lying to us. Gonna be a fun decade ahead

How is this situation even remotely similar to Charlie Kirk’s assassination other than a death occurred?

Same team committing the violence and using it as an excuse to enforce even more authoritarian efforts on people like me, before the bodies are even cold

Re: Let's call a murder a murder

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Post by lovich »

solid_fuel wrote: post #13
vdupras wrote: post #11

And it's flagged, of course. Will somebody vouch for this? I know what you're thinking. This doesn't encourage curiosity! This is politics! Same old, same old. HN! Come on, how myopic must you be to not see that a working democracy is a condition sine qua non of your dear curiosity. You see what's happening in Iran, right? Well, they don't! Put your glasses on, HN, you're not seeing shit.

So many people here want to bury their heads in the sand, like that will protect them. It's disgraceful to see people calling themselves "hackers" while they support the feds with no reservations or critical thought.

A good number of people on this site don’t mind the boot as long as they are wearing it. It’s not particularly rare for groups of software engineers to have American style libertarians amongst them

Re: Let's call a murder a murder

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Post by tastyface »

What I find even more horrifying than the murder is the response from people in power. Lying. Calling the victim a terrorist. Claiming she deserved it. Expressing unequivocal support for the killer. Threatening more of the same for the opposition. Posting fucking memes! Not even a hint of sympathy anywhere to be seen.

These people are animals. They should be in chains in front of a tribunal, not running the country. And they dare call themselves Christians?

Re: Let's call a murder a murder

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Post by jauntywundrkind »

lovich wrote: post #22
solid_fuel wrote: post #13

Earlier quoted context omitted.

So many people here want to bury their heads in the sand, like that will protect them. It's disgraceful to see people calling themselves "hackers" while they support the feds with no reservations or critical thought.

A good number of people on this site don’t mind the boot as long as they are wearing it. It’s not particularly rare for groups of software engineers to have American style libertarians amongst them

I really want an HN overlay where we can act in public. The rank cowardice here is so low, these dogs hiding and cloaking the truth again and again, putting the veil over the truth. Being able to post publicly what we are up to, being able to see more directly, not have these obfuscating hiding folks hiding in their anonymity on the layer feels necessary. What a sad pathetic foe humanity faces. It's so sad than HN allows a couple people to destroy our ability to understand and see the world.

Re: Let's call a murder a murder

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Post by cindyllm »

jauntywundrkind wrote: post #26
lovich wrote: post #22

Earlier quoted context omitted.

A good number of people on this site don’t mind the boot as long as they are wearing it. It’s not particularly rare for groups of software engineers to have American style libertarians amongst them

I really want an HN overlay where we can act in public. The rank cowardice here is so low, these dogs hiding and cloaking the truth again and again, putting the veil over the truth. Being able to post publicly what we are up to, being able to see more directly, not have these obfuscating hiding folks hiding in their anonymity on the layer feels necessary. What a sad pathetic foe humanity faces. It's so sad than HN al…

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Re: Let's call a murder a murder

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Post by thefz »

vdupras wrote: post #11

And it's flagged, of course. Will somebody vouch for this? I know what you're thinking. This doesn't encourage curiosity! This is politics! Same old, same old. HN! Come on, how myopic must you be to not see that a working democracy is a condition sine qua non of your dear curiosity. You see what's happening in Iran, right? Well, they don't! Put your glasses on, HN, you're not seeing shit.

> And it's flagged, of course.

> Will somebody vouch for this?

It's a false dichotomy and this mode of black/white thinking is everywhere online. Unless you agree 100% with every single atom and detail of >THING XHad a similar discussion in the thread for the hacker doxxing conservative dating sites: while I disagree with white supremacists I still think doxxing people online is wrong (for both sides).

And for Gruber's article: I don't think HN is the place to discuss US local politics coverage, let alone through a poster that reviews Apple software and hardware most of his time.

I can still think this && what happened to that woman is horrible.

I can still think that doxxing political opponents is wrong && that white supremacists have no place in 2026.

Re: Let's call a murder a murder

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Post by tim333 »

tastyface wrote: post #25

What I find even more horrifying than the murder is the response from people in power. Lying. Calling the victim a terrorist. Claiming she deserved it. Expressing unequivocal support for the killer. Threatening more of the same for the opposition. Posting fucking memes! Not even a hint of sympathy anywhere to be seen. These people are animals. They should be in chains in front of a tribunal, not running the country.…

I'm not sure this will play well for them politically. A fair bit of what got Trump elected was saying they'd protect ordinary Americans from immigrant criminals. Now they have footage of a white middle class mum in an suv, pretty much their median voter, being shot dead by their thugs and saying don't believe you eyes and clear video evidence, she tried to run an officer over when she obviously didn't.

Re: Let's call a murder a murder

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Post by soco »

KittenInABox wrote: post #8

Inquiry, since I know anti immigrant sentiment is on the rise in other countries. How are other countries increasing their enforcement of their immigration laws? Are there also chaotic situations where their immigration enforcers are shooting people in cars? Are there better ways for rising anti-immigrant sentiment to result in stricter enforcement with less violence?

Now that you're mentioning, I'm surprised that, even though in some corners anti-immigrant parties rose to governing, they are only doing legislation and stricter enforcing immigration and border protection rules - not appreciated by everybody of course but somehow understandable where they're coming from. Might be somebody else knows more, or has seen more, but my one data point is: no nothing like that was ever hinted from what I can tell. And I'm appalled.
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