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> we are under daily attack from Russian accounts We would go a long way if our communication platforms weren't intentionally amplifying the most controversial voices for the sake of maximizing ad revenue. Back in the day the Russians needed to spend money to buy influence. Now they can just make their propaganda engaging enough and Western companies will happily host it and promote it for free .

Isn't that just "culture"? Let the best content win? It used to be that the USA was comfortable competing and winning along these lines.

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Re: Cloudflare CEO on the Italy fines

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I read the tweet twice and I don’t see any mention of free speech. What he’s describing, when you look past the rhetoric, sounds ridiculous: a single medium sized country is demanding power to institute global blocks of content on the internet? If that’s an accurate description, that’s deeply concerning for the long term viability of the internet.

seems perfectly reasonable for a country of any size to exercise this sort of power within their own borders the US constitution doesn't apply worldwide if Petulant Prince doesn't like it: he can leave

Emphasis on global blocks. Meaning everywhere in the world.

Re: Cloudflare CEO on the Italy fines

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Started reading the post on Cloudflare's side, but halfway through I ended up against it. It's a little bit scary that guy is the CEO, his post sounds crazy and unprofessional. The fact he's posting on X to begin with is a warning in itself.

> The fact he's posting on X to begin with is a warning in itself. Why so? The counter at the bottom of the post claims that it has been viewed 7.5 million times. I don't know how this translates into individual people; but still, probably a decent reach?

It's not about reach, but about not seeing a problem in being a member of Elon Musk's website.

Re: Cloudflare CEO on the Italy fines

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Let's be a bit more honest here, I think the Italian law is badly defined, but I also think the american perspective is wrong. We (all tech people everywhere me included) argued for a lot of time for free speech on the internet, but the result currently is that we built a system that is free speech for Russian and Chinese bots and actors. In Europe we are under daily attack from Russian accounts that spread massive a…

This kind of "epistemic collapse" via propaganda is an established method of subverting nation states, Russia has been doing it for decades.

Democracy relies on having a reasobaly well informed population. The problem today is that it takes ten times more effort to refute bullshit than to spread it. Information hygiene is becoming a very big problem in this anything-goes social media environment.

Traditional mass media had journalistic norms and standards, nowadays anyone can claim anything with no quality control.

It's the same age old story: there simply is no substitute for good governance, Italy doesn't have it and hasn't had it for decades, and "freedom of speech absolutists" wouldn't know what it looks like in the first place.

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What rules can you possibly have that distinguish the expert and the manipulator in all cases, without abuse? I think free speech comes from the same base as universal vote: any selection mechanism would be corrupted and in the end cause more harm than good. That is why the solution is to let everyone speak / vote. If you have some uncorruptible people or mechanism for selection, just use that to make policy decision…

I think the solution is to elect a commission of experts to be deciding this. Term limits. Separate independent institution from the government - no meddling. Critical thinking even in those capable of it is a limited resource. I can't spend all day every day critically examining every single statement the internet flings at me - it's mentally exhausting and wears one down. Let's elect proxies to do it for us.

And who will watch the watchdogs?

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into complete autocracy & dictatorship....ummm you mean a democratically elected president & government? Plus these hyperboles don't really resonate anymore as they've been used for every little thing people don't like. It's still a democracy even if you don't like the outcome.

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>USA currently threatening to seize land from a sovereign EU nation with pro-MAGAs justifying it at every step

That EU nation can join NATO to prevent it.

Re: Cloudflare CEO on the Italy fines

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What has Cloudflare done to fight piracy enabled by their services and help solve the root cause of the issue? Anybody know?

This seems like an issue that could have been solved when it was smaller.

Lawyers and politicians are not who you want to find solutions to this kind of issues.

Did Cloudflare provide solutions that were refused by the other party?

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I'm actively looking for alternatives to migrate current projects. For sure I won't use it for new projects.

https://european-alternatives.eu/category/cdn-content-delive...

The CDN is the least crucial aspect of Cloudflare for me. There's really no one else that has Pages, Workers, KV, R2, WAF, etc at the same price. You need to stitch services from multiple providers.

Bunny is the closest option I've found but still lacking in some areas and the pricing is quite different.

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Rejecting the system, everyone in it, and everyone that's willing to interact with it, is not a way to get good outcomes. No don't "just take it" but encouraging one of the good opinions of the vice president is fine.

I disagree, some systems are so bad they need to be rejected outright. As a European, I find asking for the help of Vance and Musk as hostile, even if the person asking is in the right.

He is not asking Vance for help as an individual but the position he has for the country the company is headquartered in. What would you expect? They cant go and ask a random country for help on a complicated geopolitical issue. You are supposed (maybe required) to contact officials from your country and relevant agencies and institutions.

I'm not the biggest fan of the US Administration currently either but if a company asks them for help, they're doing what you're supposed to do, and they shouldn't be labeled as bad or sharing the view of the current administration.

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How about Quad9?

I'll have to check. I assume they are not immune to decisions of European courts either?

Does Germany require that all DNS providers block Anna's Archive? I thought that was mostly handed for ISP DNS providers.
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