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Re: Cloudflare CEO on the Italy fines

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Post by llm_nerd »

I suspect the "we're an American company and we're going to get the government protection racket to threaten you" gambit isn't going to achieve the results he's hoping for.

I was reading through this and at first I saw Italy as the bad guys, demanding ridiculous asks. The moment the "Play stupid games, win stupid prizes." nonsense appeared, followed right after by callouts to Vance and Musk, and threats that he's going to stomp his little feet to the administration...good god, this is pathetic. He looks like a clown. A snivelling, whiny, entitled clown.

lol, ban Cloudflare from Europe. Honestly, at this point all American companies should be banned everywhere but the US, as every American oligarch like this guy does this "We're American gosh darnit!" bit while this administration talks about annexing allies. Disgusting, deplorable behaviour.

Re: Cloudflare CEO on the Italy fines

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Post by jayofdoom »

swlkr wrote: post #141
danielspace23 wrote: post #125

I'm Italian, and as much as I think Piracy Shield shouldn't exist, I find hard to empathize with Cloudflare, especially after this tweet. First off, the immediate appeal to Vance and Musk is embarrassing. I believe he knows he's technically in the wrong for not abiding to the law, so gathering the sympathy of the "freedom fighters" of the web is all he can do. But the funniest part about this tweet are the "threats"…

My conspiracy theory is that the EU is actively trying to create their own cloud through regulation after seeing the economic success from china's internet companies after the great firewall.

This is called "digital sovereignty", and it has been a major topic for OpenInfra foundation and other open source cloud foundations. Open source, and open cloud software, is the way to ensure your data can stay inside your own borders and be governed by your local laws. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lvz2PcHq0yY is one example of folks talking about this, but realistically you can find talks from OpenStack/OpenInfra going back 4/5 years on this topic.

Re: Cloudflare CEO on the Italy fines

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Post by betaby »

ExpertAdvisor01 wrote: post #355
betaby wrote: post #347

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's pretty common in fact for certain countries, see for example https://www.nbcnews.com/news/world/russia-fines-google-20-de...

Where does it mention Global Revenue ? It's just a symbolical fine

Practically it's the same - some arbitrary amount.

Re: Cloudflare CEO on the Italy fines

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Post by selfmodruntime »

bflesch wrote: post #341
selfmodruntime wrote: post #285

Earlier quoted context omitted.

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There is a big difference between right to free speech by citizens of a certain country vs. someone working in the military propaganda unit of a foreign country who artificially amplifies their opinion thousandfold while masquerading as a citizen of the victim country with ultimate goal to harm the victim country.

You are focusing on identity and intent, e.g you are defending the restriction of speech based on who is speaking and why. Knowing the difference between an opinion of an origin you consider valid and one you consider invalid is difficult enough that one can abuse that justification to censor "real" speech by citizens.

Re: Cloudflare CEO on the Italy fines

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Post by falaki »

tjwebbnorfolk wrote: post #80
alanfranz wrote: post #49

Italian here. If somebody wants to read the full document about the fine (in italian) it's here: https://www.agcom.it/sites/default/files/provvedimenti/delib... Part of this doc states: ``` The rights holders also declared, under their own responsibility, providing certified documentary evidence of the current nature of the unlawful conduct, that the reported domain names and IP addresses were unequivocally intended…

> a law was created without verifying how the implementation of such law would work in practice (something very common in Italy) To be fair to Italy, this happens everywhere quite frequently. In my country (the US) we do this all too often.

Except that in the common law system of the United States, a judge can throw out the regulation.

Re: Cloudflare CEO on the Italy fines

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Post by selfmodruntime »

nkmnz wrote: post #351
selfmodruntime wrote: post #283

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> There's a DNS blocklist from media industry applied by German ISPs By the CUII with no judicial oversight. German organizations like the CCC and free speech activists very much hate that this is a thing.

Posting it a hundred times doesn't make your claim more correct. If your rights are infringed, you can always go to court. If you think you being blocked from accessing certain information is an infringement of Art. 2 Abs. 1 GG ("Every person shall have the right to free development of his personality [...]"), you can drag this to The Federal Constitutional Court.

No I can't, since I lack the monetary funds. My claim stands correct, going to the federal constitutional court is expensive enough that many people are barred from that option. My claim stands correct - no judicial verdict is needed for the CUII to censor websites. Don't believe me. Believe the activists [1].

[1]: https://media.ccc.de/v/39c3-cuii-wie-konzerne-heimlich-webse...

Re: Cloudflare CEO on the Italy fines

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Post by plagiarist »

pluralmonad wrote: post #260

I think maybe I should seek out AI art for awhile. I know this is where everything is going and I'm tired of cringing so hard every time one of these AI gen'd images is used in a serious way. But that image at the bottom of the tweet makes the entire post seem less serious to me.

Attaching a little cartoon at the bottom makes it extremely childish, no "seem" about it.
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