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Re: Let's call a murder a murder

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Post by metaphysicalyes »

hairofadog wrote: post #93

They have released a version of the masked agent's bodycam. Seems to be another Rorschach test: they released it because they think it's exculpatory, but to my eyes it's even worse. He's engaged in a petty argument with the driver, tries to block her car with his body as she drives away, shoots her, then says "fuckin' bitch!" after he's killed her. https://bsky.app/profile/thetnholler.bsky.social/post/3mbz3v...

Very convenient because right around the moments of shooting the video goes blank and the viewer can confirm the below preconceived notions:

1. The masked gunman was in grave danger when in fact he had stepped aside.

2. The car accelerated rapidly before the shots instead of after the driver was in immeasurable agony.

3. All three shots by masked gunman were in self defense. Not that the next two shots were in the driver's face from side window while standing well clear of the vehicle.

Re: Let's call a murder a murder

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Post by tstrimple »

hairofadog wrote: post #93

They have released a version of the masked agent's bodycam. Seems to be another Rorschach test: they released it because they think it's exculpatory, but to my eyes it's even worse. He's engaged in a petty argument with the driver, tries to block her car with his body as she drives away, shoots her, then says "fuckin' bitch!" after he's killed her. https://bsky.app/profile/thetnholler.bsky.social/post/3mbz3v...

I wish this video would put an end to the claims that she was blocking traffic. This video makes it clear that the very person who shot her was the one who blocked traffic. She was trying to get around that vehicle. Unfortunately I know it won't.

Re: Let's call a murder a murder

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Post by empath75 »

bananabiscuit wrote: post #115
metaphysicalyes wrote: post #110

Earlier quoted context omitted.

First shot is a red herring. It might be legal in the US to shoot the driver trying to hit you when are already out of the vehicle's way. The more condemnatory are the 2nd and 3rd shot from the side window. This is pure cruelty and disregard of human life which in a parallel universe could be one of your family member. Anyone justifying this deserves no sympathy from rest of the human populace.

Once the officer sees that Renee attempted to hit him with her car, he (tragically indeed) has the right to use lethal force. When somebody tries to kill you, I don’t think it’s reasonable to (in that same split second) give them the benefit of the doubt that maybe they won’t try to immediately kill you or one of your partners again.

Have you stopped to consider how you got to the point that you are defending this. Like, I get sort of working this over in your mind to yourself, but you have gone out of your way to excuse a cop gunning down a mom that just dropped off her kid at school. She had stuffed animals sitting in her dashboard. Her kid is an orphan. You didn't have to do this. You could have just stayed silent. Now you're the guy that is going to defend secret police murdering people in broad daylight.

Re: Let's call a murder a murder

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Post by cowboylowrez »

UncleMeat wrote: post #107
lostmsu wrote: post #36

Earlier quoted context omitted.

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The footage from the killer is now available. Her last words were "we are not mad at you." His first words after she died were "fucking bitch."

thats the worst part, this guy behaved like he was ENTITLED to terminate her existence. not to mention the vitrol from higher ups that seem to concur. very sad to see all around.

Re: Let's call a murder a murder

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Post by Gibbon1 »

duxup wrote: post #60
techblueberry wrote: post #4

Just found: "The agent who shot a woman in Minneapolis on Wednesday was pulled about 100 yards by a car last year while firing a stun gun at the driver." So, this is a trend.

Considering the behavior of ICE, it seems like they hired some folks just desperate to find legal cover to shoot someone. There are numerous videos of them casually drawing their weapons on protesters. https://www.reddit.com/r/ICE_Raids/comments/1q7u4kz/ice_agen ... https://www.reddit.com/r/minnesota/comments/1q7y43s/cbp_poin ...

My dad has a story from the late fifty's. He was at a party at his cousins house in Stockton. And the cousins brother in law had just been hired as a country sheriff and was boasting about how he was looking forward to killing his first nagger.

These kind of people exist.

Re: Let's call a murder a murder

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Post by UncleMeat »

bananabiscuit wrote: post #112
UncleMeat wrote: post #109

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Wait. Looking at the officer is a threat now?

This seems like an intentional misunderstanding to me, but I’ll clarify anyway: What I said was that she was looking directly at the officer while having her wheels pointed in his direction and accelerating hard (to the point that she lost traction). The looking detail is important because then you can’t claim she didn’t see the officer was in her way because she was still looking back from her reversing maneuver. It…

I really have no idea how a human being can look at this video and not see a murder.

I'm frightened of you.

Re: Let's call a murder a murder

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Post by iJohnDoe »

renewiltord wrote: post #7

I’ll just say that I fully expect American police to shoot people in that situation. Not because it’s justified but because their whole deal is: “Sir, stop resisting. I gave you a lawful order” “Sir, sir, BANG BANG” “I feared for my life” It’s like a pitbull, right? It’s right there most of the time. Then one day it eats a baby. But you kind of knew it had baby eating ready to go. It’s sitting there ready to eat babi…

You had me until, “Such as life.” The point here is there is no reason life should be this way and that is why people have a problem with it.

Sadly, agreed, most should expect to get shot to death by police in any given situation. Most become a police officer with the sole purpose of being able to shoot someone and they are continuously looking for any opportunity to do so. They are literally a junkie waiting to get their fix.

Sadly, agreed, pitbulls should not be kept as pets and certainly not when children are present. Most people can’t control their pets, let alone a pitbull. Also, pitbull owners know they are choosing a pitbull for the sole purpose of proving others wrong, or the opportunity to blame someone else if their pitbull attacks someone. Weirdly like police.

Re: Let's call a murder a murder

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Post by metaphysicalyes »

bananabiscuit wrote: post #115
metaphysicalyes wrote: post #110

Earlier quoted context omitted.

First shot is a red herring. It might be legal in the US to shoot the driver trying to hit you when are already out of the vehicle's way. The more condemnatory are the 2nd and 3rd shot from the side window. This is pure cruelty and disregard of human life which in a parallel universe could be one of your family member. Anyone justifying this deserves no sympathy from rest of the human populace.

Once the officer sees that Renee attempted to hit him with her car, he (tragically indeed) has the right to use lethal force. When somebody tries to kill you, I don’t think it’s reasonable to (in that same split second) give them the benefit of the doubt that maybe they won’t try to immediately kill you or one of your partners again.

I hope you are not claiming perception of intent is enough to claim a life. It is the actual intent that counts.

Appeal to mental ineptitude is not a defense of murder. If a person can't distinguish between intention of person to kill others vs escaping when driving in a completely different direction then that person does not have right to posses a weapon which can take human life.

Also interesting that you do not address the 2nd and 3rd shot at all.

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