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What market share would they have without offering the free tier? Much lower than what they have now, and that would make for a more decentralised and resilient internet

Do you remember how bad things were before CloudFlare? You’d get attacked constantly if you ran a large website.

I remember Tor being significantly more usable, and not having random 3 second delays on websites.

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You're making it sound way more dramatic than it is [1]. And yes X is a far right echo chamber that twists the narrative so that the extreme right get the most support out of it. X is the biggest help for foreign power to sow discord among us [2] [1] https://www.dw.com/en/crime-statistics-knife-crime-drugs-lif... [2] https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/cj38m11218xo

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censor from the Internet any sites a shadowy cabal of European media elites deemed against their interests Has he recently gone full conspiracy theorist? (Also what's that cringy chatgpt picture supposed to tell us?) Who is the shadowy cabal of EU elites? If anything EU is purely politicians obedient to USA interests. I'm guessing this is what happens in tech when the tide starts to shift, because tech doesn't have m…

He is partially right. The Atlanticist faction in both the US and Europe has been working to get the internet under control since 2016. This project started as a backlash to the Trump election and moved into high gear with COVID and Ukraine. This faction has a sincere belief that the prior openness of the internet is a threat to the international order, as it prevents authorities from shaping civilian perceptions and…

Go ahead and downvote, you know I’m right which is why you won’t offer even a single comment in response.

Each of these factions trying to kill the open internet is doing it for selfish reasons and all are in the wrong for doing so. You’re strangling an international commons for your geopolitical games. Shame on all of you!

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Definitely getting that vibe. Also praising M*sk and USA leadership clearly points to only having his business interests in mind. Feels like engagement bait for attention seeking. No doubt they'll still keep the Olympics contracts as they are.

Is agreeing with an adversary on a single point the same as praising them?

Interesting choice of words to try and make the logic sound ok. Try:

'Is praising an adversary on a single issue the same as praising them'. Yes, yes it is

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The appeal to JD Vance is properly craven and validates the view that their business model is effectively a protection racket.

Recall the unsavoury episode with taviso, when they lobbied the FTC to investigate him after he helped clean up their mess during Cloudbleed. They always pivot to aggression when challenged.

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"EU shadow cabal" funny considering that he then mentions running for help to US politicians.

You can accuse the US politicians of a lot but hiding in the shadows is probably the last thing you can say about the current USA administration.

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There's no accountability or due process. According to this brilliant law, if some crony with write-privilege adds your website to a list, the whole world has to ban your website within 30 minutes no questions asked.

Germany has an equivalent within the CUII, which is also a censorship branch of the government with no judicial oversight.

There is no such thing as "no judicial oversight" in Germany.

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Wait, so is this about censorship, or about copyright? If the latter, I don't see why CloudFlare is complaining about "global" censorship. The US would simply seize the domains (which they have done so many times before), but I guess Italy doesn't have that power...

It's about copyright. Seizing domain names (registered outside Italy of course) can't be done in 30 minutes which is what the football overlords want.

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Also Italian. I think everybody sucks here? Most Italian authorities like this one are chock full of incompetents, and I'm almost sure they're just caving in to some soccer broadcaster or some crap like that. He might very well be fully correct on the fact of the matter. Still, the rhetoric of the post is frankly disgusting. No, I'm not taking lessons in democracy from JD Vance, thank you very much. No, I don't think…

But might does make rights. Because all it takes is men with guns to change what rights you think you have. If you can't defend yourself against that then you have no rights.

race to the bottom logic

this kind of logic will always lead to everyone losing in the long run. always. there will always be a more powerful bully that steps up to take over. history is very clear on this one.

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