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> He phrases it to be as if the free tier is a favor Cloudflare does to the world, as if it's not obviously a loss-leader designed to get more people into the Cloudflare ecosystem. It can be both. I run many open source websites behind cloudflare. It's the same as github. All the free hosting and free CIs and free issues/discussion forums, and free code review for open source repos (90% of all open source projects?)…

What market share would they have without offering the free tier? Much lower than what they have now, and that would make for a more decentralised and resilient internet

Do you remember how bad things were before CloudFlare? You’d get attacked constantly if you ran a large website.

Re: Cloudflare CEO on the Italy fines

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I'm Italian, and as much as I think Piracy Shield shouldn't exist, I find hard to empathize with Cloudflare, especially after this tweet. First off, the immediate appeal to Vance and Musk is embarrassing. I believe he knows he's technically in the wrong for not abiding to the law, so gathering the sympathy of the "freedom fighters" of the web is all he can do. But the funniest part about this tweet are the "threats"…

> My take is that when Italian customers notice their ping going up by 10x because all their traffic is now routed through France, they will switch to BunnyCDN, Fastly or any of the dozens of CDNs that do have servers in Italy.

While that is true, the datacenters hosting those servers are going to lose a massive amount of monthly income by not having those servers colocated anymore.

And just out of curiosity, how many small/medium websites would have the in house know-how to switch to a different CDN? Cloudflare fronts your site, giving you an 'automatic' CDN, where most others require changes to your site to work with.

Re: Cloudflare CEO on the Italy fines

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I don’t know the backstory but Cloudflare arguing for an open internet is super ironic, presumably he means they want the be the one to close it off and are upset that someone else is ruining their monopoly on it.

USian tech-CEO posting petulant self-serving arguments about "FREEDOM" on twitter? what a cliche cloudflare have deliberately designed their network so that every IP can serve up every cloudflare website this means a court order can't block a single cloudflare site without blocking every cloudflare site, causing massive collateral damage I suspect this is a deliberate business decision: an attempt to raise the "cost"…

> this means a court order can't block a single cloudflare site without blocking every cloudflare site

Not true. Cloudflare can't block only a single web site _by IP address_ but that's pretty common with IPv4, The same is true of Fastly and AWS and I'd be shocked if there's a mass-market CDN out there that has a unique IPv4 address per customer.

They can absolutely block any site they want at the application layer (SNI or Host header or whatever they use, IDK, I'm a network guy).

Re: Cloudflare CEO on the Italy fines

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Cloudflare CEO threatens to pull out of Italy and to stop offering free "cybersecurity" to its residents

Would this mean Italian websites would be free from Cloudflare "bot protection" or whatever marketing name is used for those annoying "Checking your internet connection..." interstitials

Re: Cloudflare CEO on the Italy fines

#195
post #51

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I read the tweet twice and I don’t see any mention of free speech. What he’s describing, when you look past the rhetoric, sounds ridiculous: a single medium sized country is demanding power to institute global blocks of content on the internet? If that’s an accurate description, that’s deeply concerning for the long term viability of the internet.

He is mentioning Vance and Musk as beacons of democracy and free speech.

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Re: Cloudflare CEO on the Italy fines

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post #3

I don’t know the backstory but Cloudflare arguing for an open internet is super ironic, presumably he means they want the be the one to close it off and are upset that someone else is ruining their monopoly on it.

Definitely getting that vibe. Also praising M*sk and USA leadership clearly points to only having his business interests in mind. Feels like engagement bait for attention seeking. No doubt they'll still keep the Olympics contracts as they are.

Is agreeing with an adversary on a single point the same as praising them?

Re: Cloudflare CEO on the Italy fines

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Don't worry, this time it's the Social Democrats who ban books, it's _totally_ different.

I demand the RIGHT to get media for free without paying for it! And I equate this with a ban on literature!

Re: Cloudflare CEO on the Italy fines

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Every time any of these CEOs see even the mildest of pushback, the mask just fully falls off and you see them immediately run to the worst people on the planet.

Nobody gets to these positions unless they're a complete sociopath who've long lost touch with reality. Just listen to anything thiel, musk, altman, vance and other degenerates have to say, some animals display more humanity than these golems
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