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Re: Cloudflare CEO on the Italy fines

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Post by Kelteseth »

joe_mamba wrote: post #250
hermanzegerman wrote: post #225

Earlier quoted context omitted.

"Tech and speech regulation is a central feature of that conflict" The only conflict is that Europeans don't want Russian Misinformation and Manipulation from foreign powers onto them. It's no accident that Musks X serves preferentially content from European Far-Right Parties. The US used the same argument for their TikTok-Ban/Forced Takeover. They also don't make a secret out of their plan to push the far-right to e…

>They also don't make a secret out of their plan to push the far-right to end the EU. How is the "far right" gonna end "the EU"? When my GF walks alone at night through the parks she's never EVER afraid of the mythical far right for her safety, but the other people the far left won't let us talk about without being called a label and being cancelled from MSM for having common sense opinions. So if the EU were to find…

You're making it sound way more dramatic than it is [1]. And yes X is a far right echo chamber that twists the narrative so that the extreme right get the most support out of it. X is the biggest help for foreign power to sow discord among us [2]

[1] https://www.dw.com/en/crime-statistics-knife-crime-drugs-lif...

[2] https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/cj38m11218xo

Re: Cloudflare CEO on the Italy fines

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Post by subsistence234 »

bflesch wrote: post #78
sva_ wrote: post #54

Earlier quoted context omitted.

No. To private entities (news outlets) who, according to this law, get to decide what websites to ban without a court order or any due process

The exact same thing is implemented in Germany already (DNS-level block), and I did not see Cloudflare CEO rage posting on Twitter about it.

Because the German law only harms Germans, whereas the Italian law in question demands global bans.

Re: Cloudflare CEO on the Italy fines

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Post by pred_ »

1vuio0pswjnm7 wrote: post #194

Cloudflare CEO threatens to pull out of Italy and to stop offering free "cybersecurity" to its residents Would this mean Italian websites would be free from Cloudflare "bot protection" or whatever marketing name is used for those annoying "Checking your internet connection..." interstitials

One thing it should mean is that anyone using Cloudflare is doing so while risking that its CEO suddenly pulls the rug and closes down the service; not a dependency you want in your stack, and not a great look for a service that's supposed to be usable as a stable high-availability one.

Re: Cloudflare CEO on the Italy fines

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Post by jacquesm »

everfrustrated wrote: post #284
jacquesm wrote: post #272

That's a pretty bad take. This whole situation came into existence because CF has positioned itself as a convenient choke point. The Italian government is dumb, but 'eastdakota' is being dumber here. JD Vance and Musk are about as poisonous to international relations as it gets and bringing them up in relation with Europe making and enforcing its own laws - no matter how misguided - makes me think you should probably…

There are many European CDN providers. Cloudflare is nowhere near as critical to the internet as HN crowd would suggest.

They're at 82% or so of all websites using CDNs, other providers are extremely small in comparison. CF is this large because of a feedback loop with respect to being able to deal with large denial of service attacks. They are - for most serious players - the only game in town now.

Re: Cloudflare CEO on the Italy fines

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Post by foxglacier »

bflesch wrote: post #60
iamnothere wrote: post #48

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This is taking place in a larger geopolitical context. He is applying whatever pressure that Cloudflare can apply on its own (not much), and he mentions Vance as a way to call for US administration help at a time when the US is entering an open economic conflict with Europe. Tech and speech regulation is a central feature of that conflict. IMHO this is a time when there are no good players. I support CF’s fight to ke…

"It is better to keep your mouth closed and let people think you are a fool than to open it and remove all doubt." I think this clearly shows the hubris of Cloudflare CEO. Cloudflare is simply not important enough in Europe, and he unnecessarily provided a scapegoat "evil US tech company" for European media and politicians to slaughter. In terms of corporate politics it's not clever for him to attach his name to this…

His hubris isn't news. Remember when he woke up in the middle of the night and blocked some website because he personally didn't like it?

Re: Cloudflare CEO on the Italy fines

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Post by selfmodruntime »

danielspace23 wrote: post #125

I'm Italian, and as much as I think Piracy Shield shouldn't exist, I find hard to empathize with Cloudflare, especially after this tweet. First off, the immediate appeal to Vance and Musk is embarrassing. I believe he knows he's technically in the wrong for not abiding to the law, so gathering the sympathy of the "freedom fighters" of the web is all he can do. But the funniest part about this tweet are the "threats"…

> I believe he knows he's technically in the wrong for not abiding to the law,

Free speech loses when people answer to critics of a speech limiting law that they should just follow it.

Re: Cloudflare CEO on the Italy fines

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Post by [deleted] »

jimnotgym wrote: post #232
VWWHFSfQ wrote: post #187

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> estimated 30% of all production of 2nm and better to be produced in USA by 2030 There will come a time when the EU is also buying their chips from USA and then they'll wonder how that happened.

There will be a time when the whole world buys its Fabs from the EU. Good luck getting more after US steals Greenland...

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