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Re: Vietnam bans unskippable ads

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Post by eertami »

DrewADesign wrote: post #808
eertami wrote: post #717

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If you're aware of it and think you're susceptible then you can make it impossible to be influenced by it. Ie, You can disable all 'related videos'/feeds/home page on Youtube with Unhook, and sponsored segments with SponsorBlock. I'll probably never see a Youtube thumbnail for the rest of my life, throw in Adblock and your exposure is extremely limited. > Sales guys love people like that. You can also easily never sp…

> Ie, You can disable all 'related videos'/feeds/home page on Youtube with Unhook This is not specific to YouTube. It’s billboards, product placement, etc etc etc. > You can also easily never speak to them. I know they exist, but as a consumer I can't think of anytime I've had a sales interaction with a salesperson Ok, so you make every major purchase online, probably don’t own a car, never purchased a home or lived…

I somewhat suspect our difference here is cultural divide - I've never been to the US, but none of the things you mentioned have involved salespeople in my experience in Europe.

I live in a city, have a car (bought second hand), buy things in person, go to restaurants. We have no tipping or gratuity, apartments have a fairly standard application process and often it's a previous tenant showing you around because they want you to take over their lease, unless the apartment is empty.

Re: Vietnam bans unskippable ads

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Post by wat10000 »

drdeca wrote: post #810
Dylan16807 wrote: post #609

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In the end it doesn't really matter. That's under 0.1% of TV viewing and it's a unique situation. Yes edge cases exist, edge cases always exist, but that's a very tiny one.

If a definition can be changed in a way that makes it both simpler and removes an edge case, I think that is often (but not always) a sign that the change may be a good one. (Though, that doesn’t imply that the best available definition won’t have any edge cases like this.) I think it works better to define whether or not something is advertising based on, rather than whether the viewer wants to see it, instead by wh…

Definitions aren't that important. What's important is figuring out what contributes to society and what ends up just looting our attention.

A good (but not perfect) guideline is that voluntary transactions are beneficial to both parties because otherwise they wouldn't participate, and transactions where one party doesn't actively agree to it are often bad because the other party has no incentive to make it otherwise.

That's why I focused on whether the viewer actually wants it. If I seek it out, then it's useful or at least entertaining. If I don't, then it's probably a net negative for me.

Re: Vietnam bans unskippable ads

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Post by zero_bias »

red-iron-pine wrote: post #752
latexr wrote: post #578

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> when you're creating informal communications to other humans. What he’s creating is fame and money for himself, the fact that it’s by doing videos is incidental. That’s why he also got into ghost kitchens, a game show full of corner cutting, and a theme park in Saudi Arabia open for under two months.

in other words his business model is fuck you pay me at least 50 cent, who got into rap strictly for the money, made something fairly entertaining

At least 50 cent didn’t make TikTok style music with single polished part and junky rest of the song. Nowadays his goals looks almost innocent

Re: Vietnam bans unskippable ads

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Post by master-lincoln »

tpmoney wrote: post #529
master-lincoln wrote: post #188

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There are still tests and reviews and content where people can show products without being paid by the people producing these products.

Even without being paid, unless someone is advertising the product somewhere the reviewer won't know it exists to review. And if the reviewer is being sent free product or solicited directly by the producer, that's still advertising. It may be more trustworthy if the reviewer is strict about not letting the producer have editorial control, but you better believe that the company is sending out free products to review…

> unless someone is advertising the product somewhere the reviewer won't know it exists

Why? If I need something I search for available options and find them e.g. on the producers web presence. Then I buy one or more and review them.

Re: Vietnam bans unskippable ads

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Post by tracker1 »

shimman wrote: post #806
tracker1 wrote: post #801

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Without advertising (or marketing of some kind), how do you propose for any new product to EVER reach a store shelf.

You convince the store owner in person, this was kinda the case throughout all of humanity until very recently. It's not society's problem to ensure corporations are able to take prime real estate by abusing their customers. They can meet with every shop owner and argue why their products should be sold, although if you ask me I bet the shop owner knows exactly what their customers want so once again where is the ben…

But that's marketing/advertising/sales... as would be printing catalogs that the seller pays for.

Re: Vietnam bans unskippable ads

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Post by thuuuomas »

twoodfin wrote: post #550
thuuuomas wrote: post #313

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We aren’t even mining asteroids near Earth’s orbit. Space colonization is a ketamine dream. There’s no extraterrestrial economy. Earth is all we have. One pie.

A pie that includes sand which is now turned into GPUs that can solve complex problems described in English. Value that was unlocked fairly recently from “one pie”.

Tell me, is the deployment of that famous talking sand at all resource-constrained?

Re: Vietnam bans unskippable ads

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Post by wrsh07 »

tcfhgj wrote: post #683
wrsh07 wrote: post #593

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Do you think YouTube will continue to be available in a country that does this? Or free Spotify? Is that good? Or bad?

Good

Do you think the constituents in this country would vote for a law explicitly banning YouTube?

Re: Vietnam bans unskippable ads

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Post by drdeca »

wat10000 wrote: post #822
drdeca wrote: post #810

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If a definition can be changed in a way that makes it both simpler and removes an edge case, I think that is often (but not always) a sign that the change may be a good one. (Though, that doesn’t imply that the best available definition won’t have any edge cases like this.) I think it works better to define whether or not something is advertising based on, rather than whether the viewer wants to see it, instead by wh…

Definitions aren't that important. What's important is figuring out what contributes to society and what ends up just looting our attention. A good (but not perfect) guideline is that voluntary transactions are beneficial to both parties because otherwise they wouldn't participate, and transactions where one party doesn't actively agree to it are often bad because the other party has no incentive to make it otherwise…

I agree that that the criteria you gave is probably more relevant for the issue at hand, sure.

And, while definitions may not be super important (as you say), and while it is often fine to redefine a word within some context, I do think the definition I gave is probably closer to how people usually use the word “advertisement”.

My inclination is to stick on an adjective though, and refer to, say, “unwanted ads”, rather than say that the ads in a classified section “aren’t ads”.

Re: Vietnam bans unskippable ads

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Post by ggomma »

I'm glad someone is finally pushing back on unskippable / dark-pattern ads. The "fake progress bar", tiny close buttons, and multi-ad chains are just hostile UX.

Small related thing. I built a tiny free + open-source Chrome extension ("Parsely") that lets you focus only on the content. No ad, No distraction.

I originally made it to avoid ad-heavy / attention-stealing pages when I'm reading something.

If this kind of "make the web slightly less annoying" tooling resonates, feedback/PRs welcome.

Demo page: https://parsely.obasic.app Why we built this: https://parsely.obasic.app/story GitHub: https://github.com/TeamOliveCode/parsely

Re: Vietnam bans unskippable ads

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Post by DrewADesign »

missingdays wrote: post #707
DrewADesign wrote: post #603

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Oh, but then you’re the much-maligned hipster .

What's the downside?

I can't think of any. The upside is that people who think it's weird to not reflexively consume mass-market garbage identify themselves voluntarily, which makes it much easier to avoid them.
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