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Re: (l)uriel has passed away

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One less obnoxious sexist racist corporatist libertarian troll. The world is a slightly better place. I can only assume he killed himself due to the massive cognitive dissonance caused by his ludicrous political views. I hope the downvoters appreciate the irony as they try to silence dissenting views.

And it appears the bottom-feeder subclass of redditors has spilled over :-(

Re: (l)uriel has passed away

#52
I only know him as a passionate advocate for Go language. He was a moderator on /r/golang and maintained a comprehensive site on Go language resources at http://go-lang.cat-v.org/. I've been to his site many times looking for libraries, books, or code samples.

If I'm not mistaken, this is his Google+: https://plus.google.com/105846208800330724949/about.

RIP, fellow programmer.

Re: (l)uriel has passed away

#53

For anyone else who needs more context: http://www.advogato.org/person/uriel/ and http://news.ycombinator.com/user?id=uriel edit: His more recent account was http://news.ycombinator.com/user?id=luriel I dug up those links because I was completely unfamiliar with uriel before seeing this post, and know nothing more about this story than that. From reading his comments, he seemed like a really smart guy. It's really a…

It's worth mentioning that Uriel was one of the major contributors to http://suckless.org/ software. Things like wmii, dwm, dmenu, and other minimalist bits of software for Linux were partly his doing. He will be missed.

Re: (l)uriel has passed away

#55

Really sorry to hear this, IRC just became a much less interesting place. My experience of Uriel is sadly limited to the occasional joust where his fabulously distinctive views of the world and technology were always apparent, and deeply admirable. One of the old guard falls, inevitably to be replaced by 100 more squawking, jibbering, passionless "geeks" unwilling to form unique opinions of their own accord. Here's t…

What do you mean by old guard? Uriel was young, with a healthy respect for the old school, at least those ideas that deserved respect.

Re: (l)uriel has passed away

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Who decides ultimately who is hellbanned or not ?

Paul Graham. Isn't it common knowledge that this is his site? I mean, I suppose that legally, it's Y Combinator's, but PG wrote it and has always run it.

He has other mods too.

Re: (l)uriel has passed away

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post #53

For anyone else who needs more context: http://www.advogato.org/person/uriel/ and http://news.ycombinator.com/user?id=uriel edit: His more recent account was http://news.ycombinator.com/user?id=luriel I dug up those links because I was completely unfamiliar with uriel before seeing this post, and know nothing more about this story than that. From reading his comments, he seemed like a really smart guy. It's really a…

It's worth mentioning that Uriel was one of the major contributors to http://suckless.org/ software. Things like wmii, dwm, dmenu, and other minimalist bits of software for Linux were partly his doing. He will be missed.

I didn't know Uriel or know anything about him, but I used wmii as my main window manager for quite a while around 7 years ago. It was my introduction to tiled window managers, and I haven't looked back since.

Thank you Uriel.

Re: (l)uriel has passed away

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post #45

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Paul Graham. Isn't it common knowledge that this is his site? I mean, I suppose that legally, it's Y Combinator's, but PG wrote it and has always run it.

He has other mods too.

Yes, but the question included 'ultimately', which would refer to PG in this case.

Re: (l)uriel has passed away

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post #45
post #27

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Who decides ultimately who is hellbanned or not ?

Paul Graham. Isn't it common knowledge that this is his site? I mean, I suppose that legally, it's Y Combinator's, but PG wrote it and has always run it.

I doubt he has the time to read every flagged message. That's why I was asking about what is the hellbanning process, if several people are involved.

Re: (l)uriel has passed away

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Hellbanning is necessary to keep the trolls out. The problem is, HN's hellbans are really clunky, especially given how pg practically invented spam filters. You'd think there'd be some kind of bayesian predictor on whether a poster is a troll, and modding them troll would simply increase the probability that their posts would be DOAd.

> Hellbanning is necessary to keep the trolls out. No it is NOT. You do understand what hellbanning is, right? It means hiding their posts from everyone but them . That's right, if you were hellbanned, you wouldn't know. Read this: http://www.codinghorror.com/blog/2011/06/suspension-ban-or-h... Hellbanning, as opposed to regular banning, a warning system or suspensions, is counterproductive, a giant waste of people's…

> There is nothing that hellbanning (the way it's doled out on HN) solves better than regular bans, suspensions or warnings.

Sure there is: griefers.

The problem is that hellbanning is the only kind of discipline, and it gets handed out too easily. And you're (probably) right that this in turn makes it less effective against griefers than it could be. But it's still more effective than a regular ban.

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