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Minneapolis driver shot and killed by ICE
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Re: Minneapolis driver shot and killed by ICE
#332Earlier quoted context omitted.
No, you do not get to tone police the word "murder" from everyone rightfully outraged with an above-it-all appeal to "impartial" but narrow legal definitions. We all know the legal system has been thoroughly corrupted, and there is the good chance this murderer will not actually be criminally charged and convicted of any types of legally-defined murder. This does not matter - in the eyes of We The People this is fuck…
> will not actually be criminally charged and convicted of any types of legally-defined murder. Yes, that is my point. What you consider a corrupt legal system, I call one that tries to protect people who are accused of a crime until they are proven guilty. It’s not “guilty until proven innocent”…its the other way around. > This does not matter - in the eyes of We The People this is fucking Murder. And the emotion he…
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Re: Minneapolis driver shot and killed by ICE
#333Earlier quoted context omitted.
As I understand it, ICE agents have no powers to stop or arrest U.S. citizens, so it does seem odd how much they are allowed to hurt and kill.
If nobody is enforcing the law, then they have the power to do whatever the administration is allowing them to do, and at this point, that seems to include everything up to and including murder.
Yeah, though who would enforce those laws? At this point you have the head of DHS stating at press conferences that she's directing ICE to disregard federal court rulings.
Re: Minneapolis driver shot and killed by ICE
#334Earlier quoted context omitted.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l5A12Z3kaxI Look at the comment section. Are they all bots? Maybe they are, but if they aren't, trying anything would be a suicide. You would just be labelled a terrorist, and no one would support you.
If you do it for the approval and validation of others, you might as well side with the downslopes. You do it for yourself and your own beliefs, some people will put a lot on the line for that - believe it or not.
Didn't go well for this guy https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alexei_Navalny
Re: Minneapolis driver shot and killed by ICE
#335Earlier quoted context omitted.
If you do it for the approval and validation of others, you might as well side with the downslopes. You do it for yourself and your own beliefs, some people will put a lot on the line for that - believe it or not.
Didn't go well for this guy https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alexei_Navalny
Curious that you left my other comment to you unanswered [1] when it directly addresses this type of thinking from you.
Re: Minneapolis driver shot and killed by ICE
#336Earlier quoted context omitted.
> She was being commanded to step out of the vehicle by ICE? they have no authority to detain or arrest US citizens.
If nobody is going to enforce limits, then they have the authority to do whatever they want.
Forget "not enforce limits" their boss has said that they're actively going to ignore court orders.
Re: Minneapolis driver shot and killed by ICE
#337@dang I don’t know if this is a bug… but how is this not on the front pages? (I checked 2. 74 upvotes / 34 comments 2h old) This is the type of thing that I sort of rely on HN to inform me about. Then other articles are seemingly killed as dupe which I guess would make sense if the original was visible.
1) Use https://news.ycombinator.com/active , where demotions aren’t applied (at least that’s my understanding). The submission is currently on the front page there. 2) For contacting dang, email hn@ycombinator.com. “@dang” doesn’t do anything.
My interpretation of /active is that it is a strict activity based feed where the number of comments in recent time determine the position. The front page uses upvotes, flags, comment to upvote ratio, flame war detection and likely more stuff to determine the algorithmic position.
Looking at /active I can also see articles listed high with very small number of upvotes but with high number of comments.
Re: Minneapolis driver shot and killed by ICE
#338Earlier quoted context omitted.
That's exactly my point.
Your point is apathy and fatalism. Someone who points to that doesn't believe in building infrastructure. They don't believe in building political power. They don't believe in building local community power. They don't really believe in anything, and it's due to an inability in their own self to bring about real change in themselves and others.
Apathy and fatalism sounds like me, yes. I can't comment on the rest, because I don't know anything about building infrastructure or political power.
Re: Minneapolis driver shot and killed by ICE
#339Earlier quoted context omitted.
I just watched a video where, at night in an isolated road flanked by woods, a man stops his truck in front of a woman in her car alone. He then sprints from his car toward her driver side door. That woman would be raped and murdered in the middle of nowhere if her car disallowed her from making an executive decision for her safety. Your idea is bad.
Your reasoning is flawed. The man could have parked his truck in front of her car and her ability to ram it wouldn’t make a difference. Most car jackers and would be rapists do not approach their victim on foot at a 0 degree approach angle, from the front, they come from 270 degrees (the driver side), where the door they will open is located. They cannot jack the car or rape without that side approach.
I'm sorry, does the gated community even let you out? Or women in? It's painfully obvious you've never in your life had to be concerned about your safety in any meaningful way.
> Criminals would never get in front of a car. Especially after you legally mandate that by doing it their victim cannot escape by any means anymore.
Like, can you even hear yourself?
Re: Minneapolis driver shot and killed by ICE
#340Earlier quoted context omitted.
Why would I watch the obfuscated view? Watch it up close and on the side closest to the so-called "hit" cop - as you say (and silently edited out to "bump"): https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/1Gb_IkGVK7WvsTAXfMvQU... Watch the one titled "LEFT-full-duration". Watch it in slow motion. Everything in my GP is correct: 1.) The lady reversed to make room to drive away AFTER conflicting orders to "get out of there" an…
I don't think murder charges will deter anything at this point. I don't know anything about US laws, but these activities deserve to be charged with and treated as acts of terrorism. At least the foreign nations need to start designating and sanctioning ICE as a state-sponsored terrorist organization involved in criminal activities including criminal intimidation, arbitrary detention, kidnapping, child abuse, hostage…
100% I think it is ridiclous what happened and that ICE being law enforce is expected to have training on more than I see I shoot training. They dishonor any trained law enforcement and if they want to have no standard they are simply thugs on the street