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ICE's Tool to Monitor Phones in Neighborhoods

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Re: ICE's Tool to Monitor Phones in Neighborhoods

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The most maximally vindictive candidates are earning my votes in the coming election.

> most maximally vindictive candidates I think that's how we got to this point today, tbh.

No we got to this point because the hope for a better future evaporated. People are thirsty for answers. Any answer to this question will have a big following.

Gambling, influencing, day trading, kick out the immigrants, anything works as long as it can promise to change your life for the better.

Re: ICE's Tool to Monitor Phones in Neighborhoods

#72
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A decade ago I put this stance into my LinkedIn profile tag line, and was a little surprised how many engineers reached out to praise that decision. I think it's rapidly, finally , entering the realm of political viability.

All it took was a white mother (and US citizen) getting shot in broad daylight. As much as I hate to admit it, a large enough segment of the population needed something blatant like this to care.

Trump watched the video in front of a bunch of reporters and said "meh". Nothing will change for 3.5 years minimum. 40% of the country thinks he's doing great, and a greater percentage of those 40% vote vs the people who vote from the other group.

Re: ICE's Tool to Monitor Phones in Neighborhoods

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I don't buy the 'both sides' POV except in the longest historical view. Right now it's just not true. One team is a feckless collection of timid hesitators who is trying to defend a social welfare policy from 70 years ago, and the other team believes their volatile leader is infallible and will direct revenge at whatever they are pointed to by the latest 3am tweet. It's just not the same.

>One team is a feckless collection of timid hesitators who is trying to defend a social welfare policy from 70 years ago

What is this referring to?

>and the other team believes their volatile leader is infallible and will direct revenge at whatever they are pointed to by the latest 3am tweet.

>It's just not the same.

What does this have to do with gp's claim about cycle of reprisals by both parties? It can be simultaneously possible to admit that the leader of one party is more sane than the other, and to observe that both parties are engaging in cycles of retaliation when they get in power, and that egging on even more retaliation is going to make the situation worse.

Re: ICE's Tool to Monitor Phones in Neighborhoods

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Basically: if it has a modem in it, it can be used against you in some way. Phones, routers, cars, public signs, cameras. It's been so turbulent lately, that it's hard to register events that would have blown our minds if so many things didn't also happen around the same time. Remember when Israel made a bunch of pagers explode indiscriminately across Lebanon and Syria? So many things going on, one worse than the oth…

Indiscriminately?

The locations of the detonations were indiscriminate, the intended targets were not.

Re: ICE's Tool to Monitor Phones in Neighborhoods

#75

So this is getting to be pretty real and pretty scary. How many of you have actually considered just not using your mobile phone any longer? Turning it off, only powering it on when you need it, and not bringing it when you leave your home? Within a lot of our lifetimes, this was the norm. Are these devices so useful that put up with carrying a tracking / listening device on us at all time?

Anecdotally, Joseph from 404 does not use a mobile phone at all.

Re: ICE's Tool to Monitor Phones in Neighborhoods

#76

So this is getting to be pretty real and pretty scary. How many of you have actually considered just not using your mobile phone any longer? Turning it off, only powering it on when you need it, and not bringing it when you leave your home? Within a lot of our lifetimes, this was the norm. Are these devices so useful that put up with carrying a tracking / listening device on us at all time?

My only comment is being able to call emergency services wherever you are is very useful. Pre-cell phone times was just hoping there was a landline somewhere. And you weren't able to get instructions from the operator and be with a fallen person at the same time.

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I don't buy the 'both sides' POV except in the longest historical view. Right now it's just not true. One team is a feckless collection of timid hesitators who is trying to defend a social welfare policy from 70 years ago, and the other team believes their volatile leader is infallible and will direct revenge at whatever they are pointed to by the latest 3am tweet. It's just not the same.

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Re: ICE's Tool to Monitor Phones in Neighborhoods

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If we all ditch our phones then how will we record the abuses of power?

I have an old point and shoot (20x optical zoom) and a SIM-free phone that has never been used in my name for anything.

Analog recording and viewing may need to become the state of the art given how low the bar has become to manipulate digital media

Re: ICE's Tool to Monitor Phones in Neighborhoods

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>The material does not say how Penlink obtains the smartphone location data in the first place. But surveillance companies and data brokers broadly gather it in two different ways. The first is from small bundles of code included in ordinary apps called software development kits, or SDKs. SDK owners then pay the app developers, who might make things like weather or prayer apps, for their users’ location data. The sec…

Not really, if weather apps are sharing the location as it says, then a lot os people are unkowingly allowing theses apps to collect the location.

Re: ICE's Tool to Monitor Phones in Neighborhoods

#80
post #49

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I doubt that would do anything…

Is there any evidence that "NSA can turn on your phone even if they're off" or "location toggles on phones don't actually do anything" conspiracy theories are true? Even if the NSA has such capabilities, is there any reason to believe that they'll burn it to go after some ICE protester? That's the type of stuff you'd save so you can use it to go after bin laden, not burn on some run of the mill protester.

Why would they be burning anything? They find you with the exploit and then use parallel construction to make arrests.

The location toggle does nothing to prevent your carrier (and by extension your government) from determining location from cell towers. If you trust there is no remote exploit, the minimum would at least include turning off cellular signals.

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