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Suddenly everyone wants New Yorker style content. Who is going to write it?

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great ideas - now we go and do it. Check out http://mozillaopennews.org/ note - I work for mozilla.

The idea is good i.e. teach journalists to hack. But there's a conflict of interest. Look who's doing the teaching. Mozilla and Google are in business together. Mozilla != journalists Mozilla == web developers == middleman FAIL. (It's been tried before: Web developers purporting to "help" journalists. The results have not been good.)

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Any others?

The Baffler and N+1 http://thebaffler.com/ http://nplusonemag.com/

The Baffler is great, but has mostly cultural analysis pieces and almost no original reporting. I think N+1 resembles pretentious college publications, and frankly I find it quite boring, though I may give it another look.

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"Suddenly everyone..." Hyperbole. I'll believe it when I see it. Even in print, there is only one NewYorker. There are some other mags that are almost comparable, but it's not like there are scores of them to choose from. And how exactly does longform help websites advance their dodgey advertising tactics? It's just my opinion but I honestly think writing on the web was better in the 1990's. These type of websites wo…

I honestly think the web was better in the 1990s, period.

Wow. That is honest.

So are we just going to opine on the state of affairs, or should we take action?

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The idea is good i.e. teach journalists to hack. But there's a conflict of interest. Look who's doing the teaching. Mozilla and Google are in business together. Mozilla != journalists Mozilla == web developers == middleman FAIL. (It's been tried before: Web developers purporting to "help" journalists. The results have not been good.)

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I'm glad you are not offended by my remarks. It may seem like I'm taking a shot at developers or Mozilla. As a user who hates bloated web browsers and Java, maybe I am. But from an objective viewpoint, I'm not. I'm just saying journalists and developers have as yet not been able to find common ground, even though they both know they need each other. Something is amiss.

Meanwhile solid journalism is deteriorating.

As for me, I am taking action, but at a lower level. The stuff I'm working on is much bigger than page views, pay per click, or even news. I'm interested in software that can alter paradigms. I want to see the original version of the internet. No middlemen.

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All I really want from journalists is the information that most of us are too lazy or busy to collect. I want them to make phone calls, speak to insiders, cross reference public statements with available records, generally make a nuisance of themselves until they have some new insights to bring to light. Most times though it seems they're barely doing any more research than what went into a well received HN comment.…

"Journalist" has somehow mutated into "Blogging" and "Live streams", with a page hit, view count, ad revenue pumping machine that tries to incinerate whatever relics remain. I agree with your notion of "journalist". A rebranding of the burnt name may be in order. I like the idea of calling those who practice the craft Detectives.

I am thinking of getting people addicted to blogging, and then paying them a fixed salary.

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This is a strange article. I say strange because Sarah Lacy hasn't seem to look into what "New Yorker style" prose / stories look or feel like. The New Yorker is not only a publisher of journalism. It also does short stories, serializations, and I generally consider it an incubator of literary thoughts, methods, and practices the way YCombinator is an incubator of entrepreneurship. Just look at the list of authors: h…

BTW, New Yorker had great fiction podcast: http://www.newyorker.com/online/podcasts/fiction

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Perhaps the model of full-time fact checking needs to change? I've been a fact checker at a magazine. My job consisted of calling sources up, and asking them each line of identifiable facts - to see if they actually said this, or whether this person's birth date is actually x month, y day, z year. Whether the moon really was waxing on this time of this month like the writer said in the article. Whether Nasa did publi…

So creating a fact checking Stack Exchange, like the one recently created for crowd sourcing prior art for patents.

If you just kept an eye out for recent updates and looked to see who had added them you could totally beat someone to a scoop. Or am I missing something?

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Who's going to write it? How about the writers for The Atlantic , The Nation , The New Republic , The Wilson Quarterly , The Economist , The Paris Review , etc. I could fill up the length of a long-form article with names of publications that have long-form writing. The real question is, who's going to pay for it? This is like when someone complains that there aren't any good programmers out there, and, P.S., they're…

>Who's going to write it? How about the writers for The Atlantic, The Nation, The New Republic, The Wilson Quarterly, The Economist, The Paris Review, etc. I could fill up the length of a long-form article with names of publications that have long-form writing.

Aren't those guys already writing for those outlets?

Plus, I don't know much about the others, but the Atlantic went from a high quality outlet I've followed for decades, to a lower quality rag, after Bradley lost most of the stuff in 2005. It's online presence, now, is even more abysmal, for people who value good journalism and the old Atlantic.

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On the topic of "who is going to pay for this?!" it's really just a matter of time. This article really strikes a nerve with me because, while I was majoring in English, I questioned the whole point of publishers in today's world. What do I need a publisher for these days? What do I need a record label for? Surely I can just post my content on the internet and presto, right?

I forgot what the value of publishing was. Fast forward to today and the noise of content-farming and SEO keyword-stuffing is deafening.

And on the topic of long form, rarely have I ever gained anything from 500 words.

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Who's going to write it? How about the writers for The Atlantic , The Nation , The New Republic , The Wilson Quarterly , The Economist , The Paris Review , etc. I could fill up the length of a long-form article with names of publications that have long-form writing. The real question is, who's going to pay for it? This is like when someone complains that there aren't any good programmers out there, and, P.S., they're…

I spent 4 years freelance writing long-form narrative journalism stories for a foreign magazine, and let me tell you that I wouldn't even consider getting out of the house for less than $1500 per story + expenses. And that's for a short one. (Oh, and I find Harper's to be the king of general-interest magazines.)

Like stevenj I would also love you hear from you how do you go about freelancing long form in today's day and age. Would greatly appreciate if you drop a line at hardik84 [at] gmail

thanks

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