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Re: Minneapolis driver shot and killed by ICE

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Post by xphos »

eleventen wrote: post #32

There are at least 3 different videos from different angles. Here are all of them. https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/1Gb_IkGVK7WvsTAXfMvQU... I've watched them all repeatedly. It's clear she was blocked in at the front, trying to pull out, and yielded, waving the ICE vehicles to go around front. They instead got out, needlessly attempted to drag her from her vehicle, and she freaked out and tried to GTFO by turn…

Holy shit why didn't they play the middle video they legit murdered that girl and when they saw what happend they ran away. The gull, they are legit law enforcement running away from the problem they just created every dude back off instead of trying to help that lady after what happened.

Edit: Context here because they are literally doing a pincer move on this lady's car all wearing masks and with at least 1 gun drawn. All issuing different commends backup, get out, this is way hiring amateurs off the street to play cop is a bad idea. Trained people don't esclate this way

Edit2: She definite hits the cop before he shots but where is that 5'th video of the lady right up in the pincer cop's face. She's video taping him

Re: Minneapolis driver shot and killed by ICE

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Post by kcplate »

baubino wrote: post #78

I’m not seeing this discussed very much but Minnesota governor Tim Walz has issued an order to prepare the state’s National Guard: > “To Minnesotans, on the National Guard, they’re there to protect you and protect your constitutional rights,” Walz said. “These are our neighbors. They don’t wear masks. They don’t bust in from somewhere else. They’re not here to cause hassles to you or what we saw today, the tragedy.”…

> It sounds like he is calling on the National Guard to protect against ICE? Is this the first time a state has done this? I personally think it’s the right move but this is a serious matter to have one law enforcement agency called out to protect against another law enforcement agency. If true, this is a very big deal.

It’s to motivate peace and riot control due to the situation.

If he had some “knucklehead” notion to pit The NG against ICE, the federal government would simply federalize the NG and remove it from state control. I think he’s a goof, but he’s smarter than that, plus as a former NG, he knows how the NG command structure works.

Re: Minneapolis driver shot and killed by ICE

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Post by aaron695 »

eleventen wrote: post #32

There are at least 3 different videos from different angles. Here are all of them. https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/1Gb_IkGVK7WvsTAXfMvQU... I've watched them all repeatedly. It's clear she was blocked in at the front, trying to pull out, and yielded, waving the ICE vehicles to go around front. They instead got out, needlessly attempted to drag her from her vehicle, and she freaked out and tried to GTFO by turn…

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Re: Minneapolis driver shot and killed by ICE

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Post by [deleted] »

mothballed wrote: post #12

There was a very similar private security guard case to this a few years ago where the security guard was yelling at someone to leave but then physically blocked their car. When the person moved, the security guard shot them.[] He got roasted in court because he had given conflicting commands, and also because you can't put yourself in jeopardy just so you can shoot someone that's running away (police can but only fl…

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Re: Minneapolis driver shot and killed by ICE

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Post by nyantaro1 »

TheAlchemist wrote: post #104
zug_zug wrote: post #35

@dang I don’t know if this is a bug… but how is this not on the front pages? (I checked 2. 74 upvotes / 34 comments 2h old) This is the type of thing that I sort of rely on HN to inform me about. Then other articles are seemingly killed as dupe which I guess would make sense if the original was visible.

Because news shouldn't be what is on the front page on HN, and I generally agree. However, we're not living in normal times. US is speed running the book to become a dictatorship, or probably worse. And it's in no small part thanks to the tech community, which HN is all about. Recent story about how Grok is used to produce naked pictures of any women or girl, including young kids, was killed very quickly on HN. I fee…

This is very relevant. A bunch of tech workers in the US are legal immigrants that, but for the safety that their visa provides, would be hunted by this inhuman organization.

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Re: Minneapolis driver shot and killed by ICE

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Post by kccoder »

SanjayMehta wrote: post #86
hypeatei wrote: post #18

DHS secretary is calling this "domestic terrorism"... unbelievable. Everyone in the administration needs to be put on trial just like the Nazis in Nuremburg. Also remember the rights reaction to Babbit (an insurrectionist) being shot at the J6 riot. She was a patriot hero for delaying election certification but people resisting ICE goons are domestic terrorists.

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How about we prosecute all the criminals in this administration committing all the crimes? It shouldn't be surprising that people are more concerned about a US citizen being gunned down in the states than some Venezuelan fishermen.

Re: Minneapolis driver shot and killed by ICE

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Post by _DeadFred_ »

kcplate wrote: post #116
silexia wrote: post #95

Earlier quoted context omitted.

False narrative here. Watch the full length videos. This does not show what happened leading up to the issue. This lady was protesting ICE and physically driving her car into police officers. She refused multiple police orders, then attempted to murder a police officer with her car. She was justifiably shot in self defense.

There is a zoomed in and slowed down video circulating that shows after the driver was told to exit the vehicle that they reversed the vehicle first and then placed the car into drive (when the LEO was directly in front of her car). The driver hit the accelerator hard enough that the tires spun before they finally gained traction and moved the vehicle forward towards the officer. The velocity in which the vehicle beg…

You do not back up if you plan to run someone over. You go forward right through them.

The person in front of her vehicle moved himself there, as she was backing up, in violation of training/procedure. Qualified immunity doesn't protect you if you aren't actually doing your job, and your job is to follow training/procedure.

Edit because throttled: They are trained/procedure dictates that they do not stand in front of vehicles. He had plenty of time as she backed up to get into proper/safe/required position. The officer is the professional in this situation and it is them who are obligated to follow required procedure, not the random mom (with a glove box full of her kids stuffed animals) that turned down the wrong street when an ICE action was taking place who is being yelled at to both move her car and get out of her car by armed agents who approached her vehicle.

You will have also see how she was waving cars past, she was not obstructing/blocking, the officer that shot her is whose car was blocking traffic, including her.

In addition, ICE is on video driving much more aggressively into civilians in front of/next to them. Are you saying that the ICE officers should be charged with attempted murder for that driving? That civilians would be justified in firing rounds into ICE vehicles in self defense in those situations and should not face criminal consequences were they to start responding as ICE did here?

In the video they shout contradictory directions for her to move move move and also shout for her to get out of the vehicle.

Re: Minneapolis driver shot and killed by ICE

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Post by [deleted] »

kcplate wrote: post #122
baubino wrote: post #78

I’m not seeing this discussed very much but Minnesota governor Tim Walz has issued an order to prepare the state’s National Guard: > “To Minnesotans, on the National Guard, they’re there to protect you and protect your constitutional rights,” Walz said. “These are our neighbors. They don’t wear masks. They don’t bust in from somewhere else. They’re not here to cause hassles to you or what we saw today, the tragedy.”…

> It sounds like he is calling on the National Guard to protect against ICE? Is this the first time a state has done this? I personally think it’s the right move but this is a serious matter to have one law enforcement agency called out to protect against another law enforcement agency. If true, this is a very big deal. It’s to motivate peace and riot control due to the situation. If he had some “knucklehead” notion…

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Re: Minneapolis driver shot and killed by ICE

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Post by nullocator »

silexia wrote: post #99
Hikikomori wrote: post #22

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Nazis had street fights with socialists and communists for years. They were the first to be purged together with homosexuals, transvestites, handicapped, etc. Media were largely acting like our current media, woefully ineffective and passive reporting on right wing violence. Hitler called then lugenpresse, now its fake news. Resistance continued after that but not in the open, can be seen in the large number of assas…

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> And all of the political assassinations have been against Republicans in the last two years

No. Melissa Hortman. Also egregious to state this without mentioning how many of the assassins were also Republicans.

Re: Minneapolis driver shot and killed by ICE

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Post by computerthings »

TheAlchemist wrote: post #104
zug_zug wrote: post #35

@dang I don’t know if this is a bug… but how is this not on the front pages? (I checked 2. 74 upvotes / 34 comments 2h old) This is the type of thing that I sort of rely on HN to inform me about. Then other articles are seemingly killed as dupe which I guess would make sense if the original was visible.

Because news shouldn't be what is on the front page on HN, and I generally agree. However, we're not living in normal times. US is speed running the book to become a dictatorship, or probably worse. And it's in no small part thanks to the tech community, which HN is all about. Recent story about how Grok is used to produce naked pictures of any women or girl, including young kids, was killed very quickly on HN. I fee…

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