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It's hard to justify Tahoe icons

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Re: It's hard to justify Tahoe icons

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Post by fainpul »

jval43 wrote: post #147
aylmao wrote: post #54

This isn't the only aspect of Tahoe that seems amateurishly designed by someone following "wrong rules", the wrong rule here being "for consistency, let's assign an icon to every action. Another wrong rules I've seen blindly followed is making everything an edge-to-edge canvas, so that the sidebar floats on top. Having a full-window canvas with floating sidebars can make sense for applications where content is expans…

This is what happens when the people issuing the orders (assign an icon for every task) are not the ones doing the task. And the ones doing it have no say in how it's done. Being involved and in the loop is how great software is made. Otherwise you can just outsource and have tickets completed.

> This is what happens when the people issuing the orders (assign an icon for every task) are not the ones doing the task.

No, this is what happens when the people in charge of UI design have no clue what they're doing.

Re: It's hard to justify Tahoe icons

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Post by einsteinx2 »

teddy-smith wrote: post #89
flumpcakes wrote: post #65

It seems like Apple's hardware design is universally loved with much acclaim, why is their software getting progressively worse? It's not Microsoft-add-all-the-bloatware-and-adverts-we-can worse, but it's 20-year-old-operating-systems-were-better-designed worse. We're getting to a point where I think Linux windowing systems like KDE are better designed. And it seems that all they had to do was not change much over th…

It's just enshittification. Going to continue to get worse as time goes on. Even the hardware will go at some point I'm betting.

> It's just enshittification.

That’s not what enshittification means.

Somehow its usage has quickly devolved from a very specific pattern companies used to squeeze “value” out of their customers over time into just “something getting worse in any way” or even just “something I don’t like now but I did before” which is not at all the point.

Re: It's hard to justify Tahoe icons

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Post by reddalo »

shawabawa3 wrote: post #135
rcarmo wrote: post #96

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The detail on the animations is, as usual, top notch, including the way snow doesn't just immediately turn off but stops falling slowly. I love it.

> including the way snow doesn't just immediately turn off but stops falling slowly. I love it. Funny, i disliked this exact detail. I thought turning it off hadn't worked for a few seconds and i retoggled it on and off a bunch of times before i got it

I think OP was sarcastic. (I hope!)

Re: It's hard to justify Tahoe icons

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Post by pedrogpimenta »

juancn wrote: post #150
robinhood wrote: post #38

I never disliked an OS as much as I dislike what Apple is doing with MacOS (and iOS by extension). I've been with MacOS for 20 years, but I've switched at home to Linux full time 2 years ago and I don't regret it. At work I'm forced to be on MacOS. It's concerning how Apple doesn't care anymore about user needs, usability, design and consistency. Where it was the best OS in the past for me, it's not anymore. Other OS…

Seriously? UX in Linux is awful, there's no single desktop metaphor. You have hundreds of distros each with their quirks. There is no "Linux" other than the kernel. There's a lot more consistency in the Apple ecosystem. Don't get me started on the other crap with Linux distros: power management doesn't work, audio barely works, heck even though both Linux and MacOS use CUPS for printing, in MacOS it works way better.

But Linux is getting better each year (seriously, KDE is amazing, Gnome works well if you like it), made by hundreds of independent people, while Mac is getting worse, made by one focused company.

I've had no problem whatsoever with 2 laptops regarding power management or audio.

Get a major distro and major software if you don't want to wander into problems.

Re: It's hard to justify Tahoe icons

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Post by Taek »

Wow, this article is a tour de force in menu and icon design, I learned a lot. For anyone who wants to understand the design world better, or wants a glimpse into the brain of a design-minded person, this is a great article. Incredibly accessible, incredibly insightful, and just overall a gem.

Re: It's hard to justify Tahoe icons

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Post by finnlab »

asimovDev wrote: post #154
finnlab wrote: post #98

I’ve always respected macOS for being the 'stable' choice for not-as-techy people. But recent versions feel like a mess. Running Tahoe on my 2019 Mac Pro (Yes the cheese grater one) has been surprisingly frustrating. Simple things are broken: Ableton couldn't even trigger a microphone permission prompt, forcing me to meddle with a SQLite database, which is definitely not meant for end users to touch, just to get it w…

from what i've read on macrumors, Tahoe on the 2019 MP is quite messy. A lot of people complain about the UIs being sluggish.

I guess they only work on Apple Silicon software by now and only do the absolute minimum on Intel/AMD support. It's getting phased out anyway next update, which is also a shame for a machine that 5 years ago cost more than a pretty great car.

Re: It's hard to justify Tahoe icons

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Post by friendzis »

bdelmas wrote: post #141
Zealotux wrote: post #81

Tahoe and Liquid Glass™ solidified for me the idea that Apple completely dropped the ball when it comes to design. Clearly they needed an a-hole in charge, Jobs would've crucified a few people. It's painful to see the decay, update after update, into a more confusing, cluttered, and tacky experience.

Liquid Glass was actually a big surprise for me, and it was a shock to see Apple moving forward with this and nobody stopping it. Microsoft did that with Vista back in 2006 and they stopped doing this. So Apple is copying a 2006 design? From Microsoft? Where even Microsoft stopped doing it because of all the known issues? So many questions...

I would be very tempted to place a bet that nobody in the decision making chain used Vista or Compiz to any degree.

Commercial software coding glorifies denying anything older than 10 years exist outside of museums, let alone learn anything from it. The same has merely infected design world.

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