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It's hard to justify Tahoe icons

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Re: It's hard to justify Tahoe icons

#171

It's pretty wild how the best screenshot of a usable menu is from, like, Office 2000. What the hell have we been doing for the past 25 years?

Check out this actual book that used to come with a computer about how to use the desktop: https://docs.oracle.com/cd/E19253-01/806-4743/806-4743.pdf

Re: It's hard to justify Tahoe icons

#172

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from what i've read on macrumors, Tahoe on the 2019 MP is quite messy. A lot of people complain about the UIs being sluggish.

It's sluggish on a 2023 M3 Pro!

totally possible it’s Tahoe but I’d rule some other potential issues out as well if you haven’t already

Re: It's hard to justify Tahoe icons

#174

This is an excellent article. Apple has been rudderless on the interaction design front for over a decade now. The windowing mess is evidence of it. We now have the cmd+tab (app switcher), Spaces, Mission Control, (full screen) split screen, Stage Manager, and now tiled window control. None of those interaction metaphors have been expanded upon since their initial launch. I'm a "mac guy". I understood why Apple initi…

I have to say I've never found anything wrong with the alt-tab app I use on macOS. I wonder if you're referring the permissions it has to ask for?

https://github.com/lwouis/alt-tab-macos

Re: It's hard to justify Tahoe icons

#175
Windows 11 Explorer adds an accent colour to otherwise monochrome icons, which does help distinguish them. I still don't consciously use the icons when picking a menu item though.

Explorer also "promotes" copy/paste commands to the top of the context menu as just icons with no text label, which can be confusing - your instinct is to just to look for a "Copy" or "Paste" item in the menu, but no - for some commands you must learn the icon and the fact that it doesn't appear in the menu proper.

Also the context menu populates slowly with dynamic items depending on the right-clicked file which causes items to dodge out of the way of your cursor, but I don't want to get too deep into a wider discussion of the awfulness of Windows 11 Explorer...

Re: It's hard to justify Tahoe icons

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Yeah, on an article ranting about clutter in the macOS UI, this is a mindboggling design choice.

Once you try the dark mode, you'll realize the irony is done on purpose. Edit: I'm not implying it's a good thing. It's a joke that did not drop. Given the audience is trying to read text. And he's making it annoying to read text. It's like a stand-up comedian telling a joke, in a wild accent; where the audience cannot discern what he's saying.

It's a joke for this specific topic, that is on the entire website, and has been for almost a month prior[1] to this post being published?

[1] https://web.archive.org/web/20251207071946/https://tonsky.me...

Re: It's hard to justify Tahoe icons

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I never disliked an OS as much as I dislike what Apple is doing with MacOS (and iOS by extension). I've been with MacOS for 20 years, but I've switched at home to Linux full time 2 years ago and I don't regret it. At work I'm forced to be on MacOS. It's concerning how Apple doesn't care anymore about user needs, usability, design and consistency. Where it was the best OS in the past for me, it's not anymore. Other OS…

Seriously? UX in Linux is awful, there's no single desktop metaphor. You have hundreds of distros each with their quirks. There is no "Linux" other than the kernel. There's a lot more consistency in the Apple ecosystem. Don't get me started on the other crap with Linux distros: power management doesn't work, audio barely works, heck even though both Linux and MacOS use CUPS for printing, in MacOS it works way better.

I don't understand why this comment is downvoted, it is undeniably true.

Re: It's hard to justify Tahoe icons

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I’ve always respected macOS for being the 'stable' choice for not-as-techy people. But recent versions feel like a mess. Running Tahoe on my 2019 Mac Pro (Yes the cheese grater one) has been surprisingly frustrating. Simple things are broken: Ableton couldn't even trigger a microphone permission prompt, forcing me to meddle with a SQLite database, which is definitely not meant for end users to touch, just to get it w…

>In case someone stumbles upon this after experiencing the same problem with ableton, here is the command I executed: And back to your point, a large reason people buy Apple in the first place is so they never have to read this sentence/try this solution!

Exactly. The whole permissions system, while nice in theory, just does not work in practice most of the time. Apple needs to understand, that unifying experience across mobile/desktop is neither possible nor the right thing to do.
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