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It's hard to justify Tahoe icons

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Re: It's hard to justify Tahoe icons

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Post by halapro »

wahnfrieden wrote: post #125
meindnoch wrote: post #70

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>I think the key issue with macOS is that they don't seem to have someone who is looking at the whole ecosystem holistically to make sure that there's consistency and integration across experiences. That person died in 2011.

Rose tinted glasses. Have a look through Jobs era UI again.

Oh yes Mountain Lion was very very bad.

UI was simple, maybe too simple, but it made sense. The only complaint from that era was the thin scroll bars and the flipped scroll direction, both of which are forgotten about and accepted nowadays.

Re: It's hard to justify Tahoe icons

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Post by the_other »

hnarn wrote: post #79

This is the second time in just a few weeks I see a post from some UX person complaining about how some major tech company doesn't "understand" design while themselves having a design that is absolutely abysmal. What made this person think that having gigantic snowflakes flying down a page serving only text and images would be a good idea? _edit_: I'd also like to point out that I know it can be disabled, the questio…

It’s not obvious to me how black on yellow is a mistake. It’s quite readable, the contrast is broad enough for clarity but not so broad the background overwhelms the foreground. Yellow’s a recommended “light” background for visually impaired people so the choice has precedance (although I confess that many other examples of it I’ve seen use a softer pastel yellow which is more comfortable).

Re: It's hard to justify Tahoe icons

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Post by [deleted] »

jval43 wrote: post #147
aylmao wrote: post #54

This isn't the only aspect of Tahoe that seems amateurishly designed by someone following "wrong rules", the wrong rule here being "for consistency, let's assign an icon to every action. Another wrong rules I've seen blindly followed is making everything an edge-to-edge canvas, so that the sidebar floats on top. Having a full-window canvas with floating sidebars can make sense for applications where content is expans…

This is what happens when the people issuing the orders (assign an icon for every task) are not the ones doing the task. And the ones doing it have no say in how it's done. Being involved and in the loop is how great software is made. Otherwise you can just outsource and have tickets completed.

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Post by walthamstow »

asimovDev wrote: post #154
finnlab wrote: post #98

I’ve always respected macOS for being the 'stable' choice for not-as-techy people. But recent versions feel like a mess. Running Tahoe on my 2019 Mac Pro (Yes the cheese grater one) has been surprisingly frustrating. Simple things are broken: Ableton couldn't even trigger a microphone permission prompt, forcing me to meddle with a SQLite database, which is definitely not meant for end users to touch, just to get it w…

from what i've read on macrumors, Tahoe on the 2019 MP is quite messy. A lot of people complain about the UIs being sluggish.

It's sluggish on a 2023 M3 Pro!

Re: It's hard to justify Tahoe icons

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Post by Forgeties79 »

finnlab wrote: post #98

I’ve always respected macOS for being the 'stable' choice for not-as-techy people. But recent versions feel like a mess. Running Tahoe on my 2019 Mac Pro (Yes the cheese grater one) has been surprisingly frustrating. Simple things are broken: Ableton couldn't even trigger a microphone permission prompt, forcing me to meddle with a SQLite database, which is definitely not meant for end users to touch, just to get it w…

>In case someone stumbles upon this after experiencing the same problem with ableton, here is the command I executed:

And back to your point, a large reason people buy Apple in the first place is so they never have to read this sentence/try this solution!

Re: It's hard to justify Tahoe icons

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Post by layer8 »

> In menus, the ellipsis character means that the user must provide more information before a command will operate.

More specifically, to the user it means they’ll still have the opportunity to back out of the operation; that it won’t take effect immediately upon clicking the menu item. It allows the user to “explore” the command without committing to its execution yet. For that reason, IMO the ellipses in “Attach Files…” and “Add Link…” are appropriate.

What I’m seeing more often in practice is that menu items that should have an ellipsis don’t. They make you wonder what the immediate effect of the command would possibly be.

Re: It's hard to justify Tahoe icons

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Post by odyssey7 »

Zealotux wrote: post #81

Tahoe and Liquid Glass™ solidified for me the idea that Apple completely dropped the ball when it comes to design. Clearly they needed an a-hole in charge, Jobs would've crucified a few people. It's painful to see the decay, update after update, into a more confusing, cluttered, and tacky experience.

I haven’t updated to the new OS because the liquid glass experience made me think of historic UI elements that were more novelty than substance.
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