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Web development is fun again

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Re: Web development is fun again

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My guess is that the amount of total software people use will significantly increase, but the total amount of money made from SaaS will significantly decrease

I've replaced almost all of the App subscriptions with stuff I built for my self. The only subscriptions I pay for are things that are almost impossible to replace like online storage (iCloud) or Spotify

Re: Web development is fun again

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Isn't that still considered cooking? If I describe the dish I want, and someone else makes it for me, I was still the catalyst for that dish. It would not have existed without me. So yes, I did cook it.

Work harder! Now I’m a life coach because I’m responsible for your promotion.

Very apt analogy. I'm still waiting for my paycheck.

Re: Web development is fun again

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Specialization is for insects, as Heinlein said. We are going back to the Renaissance Man ideal and I'm all for it.

isn't it exactly the opposite? LLMs have killed the generalist, only specialists with very targeted skills have anything marketable

100% the opposite. LLMs lack high level creativity, wisdom and taste. Being a generalist is how you build these.

For example, there's a common core to music, art, food, writing, etc that you don't see until you've gotten good at 3+ aesthetic fields. There are common patterns in different academic disciplines and activities that can supercharge your priors and help you make better decisions.

LLMs can "see" these these connections if explicitly prompted with domains and details, but they don't seem to reason with them in mind or lean on them by default. On the other hand, LLMs are being aggressively RL'd by the top 10% of various fields, so single field expertise by some of the best in the world is 100% baked in and the default.

Re: Web development is fun again

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Alternatively, just use a local model with zero restrictions.

This requires hardware in the tens of thousands of dollars (if we want the tokens spit out at a reasonable pace). Maybe in 3-5 years this will work on consumer hardware at speed, but not in the immediate term.

$2000 will get you 30~50 tokens/s on perfectly usable quantization levels (Q4-Q5), taken from any one among the top 5 best open weights MoE models. That's not half bad and will only get better!

Re: Web development is fun again

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> Claude Code has turned me into a 40x productive developer without limitations. C'mon man! Even the 10x claims weren't holding up.

It really depends on what youre working on. Plenty of developers suck at front end so they were basically unable to build side project websites in a reasonable timeframe. With cluade code stuff that would take a day of research to learn can be accomplished in 5 minutes. Obviously the gains are much smaller in areas where youre a domain expert, but the ability to unlock solo developers to build impressive projects is huge.

Re: Web development is fun again

#236
My problem is that code review has always been the least enjoyable part of the job. It’s pure drudgery, and is mentally taxing. Unless you’re vibe coding, you’re now doing a lot of code review. It’s almost all you’re doing outside of the high-level planning and guidance (which is enjoyable).

I’ve settled on reviewing the security boundaries and areas that could affect data leaks / invalid access. And pretty much scanning everything else.

From time to time, I find it doing dumb things- n+1 queries, mutation, global mutable variables, etc, but for the most part, it does well enough that I don’t need to be too thorough.

However, I wouldn’t want to inherit these codebases without an AI agent to do the work. There are too many broken windows for human maintenance to be considered.

Re: Web development is fun again

#238

> On the frontend, you have build pipelines, bundlers, CSS frameworks with their own toolchains, progressive web apps, Core Web Vitals, SEO, layout shifts, srcset/responsive images… I remember when the biggest challenge was IE6 compatibility. You only have those things if you choose to use them. I've been building websites for 25 years. I use the same core technologies today that I did when I started. Sure, I make us…

It's so weird to see this take repeated over and over. I have to assume you have never written a large scale project for the web? The only part where I agree is that you don't need PHP or server-side rendering in general.

Nowhere he talked about large scale projects and the article neither btw. I am sure his choices are different when working on a large scale project.

Re: Web development is fun again

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> Clicks, expecting some new spec or framework that actually made web dev fun again

> Looks inside

> "AI has entered the chat"

What did I even expect. I wonder how many clickbait posts of this type are gonna make the HN front page.

Re: Web development is fun again

#240

> I feel like I can manage the entire stack again - with confidence. By not managing anything? Ignorance is bliss, I guess. I understand it. I've found myself looking at new stacks and tech, not knowing what I didn't know, and wondering where to start. But if you skip these fundamentals of the modern dev cycle, what happens when the LLM fails?

Then it fails and the world doesn't end. You fix it or delegate it and move on. Most people aren't working on code for power grids and fighter jets. There's room for failure. This same argument was used by the old timers when younger programmers couldn't code assembly or C on bare metal systems.

In the context of "fun again", debugging slop, finding imaginary dependencies, and discovering unimaginably fragile code isn't fun, even if it's not important.

But past bad output, I worry for our creative fulfillment. The old timers are right. That feeling of accomplishment, a keystone of happiness is a product of work. Probably beyond the scope of the thread.

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