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Re: Linux is good now

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Post by keyringlight »

tombert wrote: post #252
Biganon wrote: post #228

I'm tired of people saying Steam on Linux just works. It doesn't. Tried running Worms: instant crash, no error message. Tried running Among Us: instant crash, had to add cryptic arguments to the command line to get it to run. Tried running Parkitect: crashes after 5 minutes. These three games are extremely simple, graphically speaking. They don't use any complicated anti-cheat measure. This shouldn't be complicated,…

I don't have your other games, but I do have a few Worms games and they worked out of the box for me with GE Proton on NixOS. I'm not saying "you're doing it wrong", because obviously if you're having trouble then that is, if nothing else, bad UX design, but I actually am kind of curious as to what you're doing different than me. I have an extremely vanilla NixOS setup that boots into GameScope + Tenfoot and I drive…

If anything this is the challenge with PC as a platform being so varied, any random software/hardware/config variation could bring a whole load of quirks.

That probably includes anything that isn't a PC in a time-capsule from when the game originally released, so any OS/driver changes since then, and I don't think we've reached the point where we can emulate specific hardware models to plug into a VM. One of the reasons the geforce/radeon drivers (eg, the geforce "game ready" branding) are so big is that they carry a whole catalogue of quirk workarounds for when the game renderer is coded badly or to make it a better fit to hardware and lets them advertise +15% performance in a new version. Part of the work for wine/proton/dxvk is going to be replicating that instead of a blunt translation strictly to the standards.

Re: Linux is good now

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Post by varun_ch »

kentonv wrote: post #242

I switched all the machines at https://lanparty.house over to Linux a couple months ago. So far, we've experienced noticeably fewer problems on Linux compared to Windows. Stability and performance are better. I can't think of one game we tried that didn't work. And wow is it nice not to have all the ads and crapware in our faces anymore. (I'm aware that Battlefield series and League of Legends won't work due to draco…

As an aside.. I went down a mini-rabbit hole learning about the LAN Party House, read your website and about Sandstorm[0] and how that ended up with you at Cloudflare leading Workers. That’s a really cool and honestly inspirational path. Would love to learn more if you’ve written elsewhere…!

[0] https://sandstorm.io/news/

Re: Linux is good now

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Post by markus_zhang »

jzb wrote: post #268
Biganon wrote: post #228

I'm tired of people saying Steam on Linux just works. It doesn't. Tried running Worms: instant crash, no error message. Tried running Among Us: instant crash, had to add cryptic arguments to the command line to get it to run. Tried running Parkitect: crashes after 5 minutes. These three games are extremely simple, graphically speaking. They don't use any complicated anti-cheat measure. This shouldn't be complicated,…

I imagine the people saying “it just works” are saying it because it does, at least for them. SteamOS is based on Arch, but customized and aimed at specific hardware configurations. It’d be interesting to know what hardware you’re using and if any of your components are not well supported. FWIW, I’ve used Steam on Linux (mostly PopOS until this year, then Bazzite) for years and years without many problems. ISTR havin…

I just bought another second Dell workstation (admit I hated those) and can’t wait to install SteamOS when it is released to the public. I don’t care about AAA gaming but the integrated card should be able to handle most of the games from ten years ago.

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Post by casey2 »

voidfunc wrote: post #51
ErroneousBosh wrote: post #10

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Gaming now works better on Linux than it does on Windows. This must be upsetting for Microsoft, but it was their game to lose.

I dont get the feeling they care. Microsoft is so lost under Satya at this point. Totally blinded by Azure and AI and stock price growth. At some point they're going to realize all the ground they've lost and it's going to be a real problem. They're repeating a lot of the same mistakes that cost them the browser and mobile market.

If people were buying new PCs every year like they used to I'd be worth it. Turns out there isn't as much value having a "captive market" on a PC unless it's locked down.

Re: Linux is good now

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Post by delecti »

jimmar wrote: post #250

I'm slowly de-Microsofting my computing. I've traded OneDrive for Syncthing. I ditched one PC for a Mac. I have the technical skills to run Linux effectively, but the biggest obstacle for my Linux adoption is distro fatigue. Run Ubuntu? Debian? Fedora? PopOS? Kubuntu? Arch? The article introduced yet another one to consider--Bazzite. The Linux world is amazing for its experimentation and collaboration. But the fragme…

I think fragmentation is the wrong way to look at it; they're all basically compatible at the end of the day. It's more like an endless list of people who want to min-max.

Any reasonably popular distro will have enough other users that you can find resources for fixing hitches. The deciding factor that made me go with EndeavourOS was that their website had cool pictures of space on it. If you don't already care then the criteria don't need to be any deeper than that.

Once you use it enough to develop opinions, the huge list of options will thin itself out.

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Post by p_ing »

orbital-decay wrote: post #251
epistasis wrote: post #179

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My primary issue is that a system that did an OK job at dealing with low memory situations has been replaced with a completely inadequate system. If your solution is "don't ever run out of memory" my solution is "I won't ever use your OS unless forced to." Every other OS handles this better, and my work literally requires pushing the bounds of memory on the box, whether it's 64GB or 1TB of RAM. Killing an entire cgro…

As far as I know, Windows just grinds to a halt entirely, system processes start crashing, or you get a BSOD, and mobile OSes kill the app without any trace. I never had an OOM situation on Macs so I don't know about macOS. Windows is unstable even if you have more than enough memory but your swap is disabled, due to how its virtual memory works. It generally behaves much worse than others under heavy load and when v…

Even NT4 handled OOM scenarios better than modern Linux. No, it didn't grind to a halt, it would grind the rust off of the spinning platters. But it would continue to run your applications until the application was finished or you intervened.

Re: Linux is good now

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Post by hollandheese »

jetbalsa wrote: post #105
fruitworks wrote: post #94

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nvidia

Right, it IS nvidia's fault at this point, but its still like what? 90% of the consumer GPU market.

For aftermarket purchase sure, but 95% of consumer machines are using either Intel or AMD integrated graphics.

Re: Linux is good now

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Post by p_ing »

tredre3 wrote: post #155
9763468975325 wrote: post #143

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Spoken like a true Windows UX aficionado. Who doesn't love multiple system settings apps, a mix of minimal new context menus and overcrowded legacy context menus just one more click away.

> Who doesn't love multiple system settings apps, a mix of minimal new context menus and overcrowded legacy context menus just one more click away. I get that you're making a Windows joke, but this describes Linux equally well.

Actually having just installed OpenSuSe w/ KDE, certain right click menus just generate errors OOTB, or control panels flat out don't work.

The UX leaves a lot to be desired.

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Post by csdreamer7 »

jsheard wrote: post #262
torginus wrote: post #246

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What percentage of games require DX12? From what I recall, a surprisingly large percentage of games support DX11, including Arc Raiders, BF6 and Helldivers 2, just to name a few popular titles. At the same time, Vulkan support is also getting pretty widespread, I think notably idTech games prefer Vulkan as the API.

DX12 is overwhelmingly the default for AAA games at this point. The three titles you listed all officially require DX12, what DX11 support they have is vestigial, undocumented and unsupported. Many other AAAs have already stripped their legacy DX11 support out entirely. Id Software do prefer Vulkan but they are an outlier.

Godot switched over to DX12 over Vulkan for Windows. Blaming bad Windows drivers for the reason.

https://godotengine.org/article/dev-snapshot-godot-4-6-dev-5...

Re: Linux is good now

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Post by hollandheese »

3eb7988a1663 wrote: post #36
WaxProlix wrote: post #18

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There are plenty. I run only Linux at home but CAD software for hobbies (Fusion 360), most games that want kernel level anti cheat, some embedded DRM-enabled media, all sort of just fail. Other things, like GPU tuning or messing with your displays/drivers are harder than they should be. My Bluetooth earbuds just don't work with my Linux machines.

Bluetooth is such a crapshoot for me, I feel like everyone else must be using the single blessed chip and forgot to share the memo.

Intel.
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