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2025 was a disaster for Windows 11

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Re: 2025 was a disaster for Windows 11

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Post by gambiting »

robertoandred wrote: post #59
coldtea wrote: post #42

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Because there aren't so many great alternatives. There's MacOS, which requires expensive dongles (an Apple computer), and has some of its own systemic issues. And there's Linux, in different subtly incompatible distros, with its own share of problems, and a non-starter if you need and/or want to use many proprietary staples, from the Creative Suite to video, music, and business apps...

Windows doesn't require a computer?

As in - if you already have a windows PC and someone says "you should try a Mac" you can't just install MacOS, it requires you to buy a whole new PC from Apple. With Linux you can at least just install it in a second partition and use it that way untill you're sure it works for you, zero money required.

Re: 2025 was a disaster for Windows 11

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Post by autoexec »

xg15 wrote: post #7

So. Nvidia abandons the gaming market, Microsoft abandons Windows and Google abandons Search, all because AI is supposedly more important. At some point it starts to feel like a drug for C-suites.

The drug is the dream of replacing their serfs (you) with robots. They feel like what passes for AI is sooo close, and they're willing to destroy everything and anything to make their dream reality, but I think they're going to be disappointed. Until they face reality we're all going to increasingly suffer.

Re: 2025 was a disaster for Windows 11

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Post by slekker »

yoyohello13 wrote: post #20

Microsoft in 2025: We fired a bunch of engineers and mandated AI usage. 90% of our code is now generated by AI. Also Microsoft in 2025: Record setting bugs and anti-features released. Case study in code quantity is not equal to code quality.

To add they want to rewrite Windows in Rust with AI, which I can only assume they hope will keep the software quality up but I doubt it

Re: 2025 was a disaster for Windows 11

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Post by gambiting »

Zopieux wrote: post #37

Why does anyone still go through the trouble, for personal use, of buying and fighting against Windows terrible design decisions and crappy implementations, when there are so many great alternatives?

For personal use - because I play games that only run on windows(and it's my main social interaction every week so "just play other games" is not a viable option)

For work - because Visual Studio is the best IDE if you're a C++ programmer and if your toolchains only work on windows(so anything to do with PS5/Xbox/Switch development).

Re: 2025 was a disaster for Windows 11

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Post by hoppyhoppy2 »

robertoandred wrote: post #59
coldtea wrote: post #42

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Because there aren't so many great alternatives. There's MacOS, which requires expensive dongles (an Apple computer), and has some of its own systemic issues. And there's Linux, in different subtly incompatible distros, with its own share of problems, and a non-starter if you need and/or want to use many proprietary staples, from the Creative Suite to video, music, and business apps...

Windows doesn't require a computer?

The point they were making is that a Windows user generally (Hackintoshing aside) can't just install MacOS in their existing computer; it requires purchasing another, Apple-brand computer.

Re: 2025 was a disaster for Windows 11

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Post by dist-epoch »

MarsIronPI wrote: post #13
xg15 wrote: post #7

So. Nvidia abandons the gaming market, Microsoft abandons Windows and Google abandons Search, all because AI is supposedly more important. At some point it starts to feel like a drug for C-suites.

To be fair to Nvidia, they're only selling the pickaxes in this gold craze. It's smart for them to focus on the market that pays the most. When the AI bubble pops, they'll still be in a great position and they'll be able to return to gaming.

They are training AI models.

They are investing in AI companies (OpenAI).

Re: 2025 was a disaster for Windows 11

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Post by my_username_is_ »

areoform wrote: post #10

I'm a macos / linux user who bought a second-hand windows PC last year for CAD and games. Windows 11 is worse than you think it is. It's worse than the data harvesting (which required two hours to turn off), irritating ads (for an OS you pay for) and generally schizophrenic UX (don't get me started on the Start menu). The Windows team has gone far beyond typical bugs. They're introducing new classes of bugs; one day…

Have you tried using OnShape? One of the reasons that I switched to OnShape recently is that I can run it on my MacBook. This makes switching between my mechanical design & app development workflows seamless. There are some things to get used to with the transition to a cloud system, but knowing what I know now I would make the same decision again.

At this point I'm using Windows almost exclusively for gaming (and it sounds like non Windows options have been getting better recently, so I may be able to step away from the Windows ecosystem entirely when that machine eventually dies).

Re: 2025 was a disaster for Windows 11

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Post by gambiting »

pcblues wrote: post #49

I haven't had a _terrible_ UI experience with Win 11 that Apple hasn't put me through already. But it took away my sideways toolbar. I don't click anything that loads edge, like "Show me more from the web" type links. So I don't see ads. I use firefox and thunderbird. The telemetry all the way through the operating system sucks ethically. But I'm invested and familiar with Windows and Office. Not being able to make C…

Yeah, I think it's just a matter of what you know. I recently got a Mac for work and the UI is horrid and I have no idea how people put up with it, it's like designed by people who never actually had to use it afterwards. But clearly it works for people so I strongly suspect it's just the personal bias here.

Re: 2025 was a disaster for Windows 11

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Post by manwe150 »

This seems to be a story written for the HN audience, rather than for the core user base. Despite a long trend of predictions of Windows demise, it is still very much here and healthy as a platform for user install.

I could also write the same article about this website, how it was so full of bloat and ads that nobody wants I could barely get it to scroll, and it eventually crashed before getting to the end of TFA due to general resource exhaustion on mobile. None of that predicts the websites financials or “disasters” though.

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