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Re: 2025 was a disaster for Windows 11

#11

Post by wtcactus » Wed, Dec 31, 2025, 5:13 PM UTC

xg15 wrote: post #7

So. Nvidia abandons the gaming market, Microsoft abandons Windows and Google abandons Search, all because AI is supposedly more important. At some point it starts to feel like a drug for C-suites.

Hum. Windows has been ridden with bugs forever. I don’t see how this is connected to Microsoft abandoning windows in favor of AI.

Windows code base is just too heavy to maintain. They need to break compatibility with older products like MacOS often does, so that Windows can be manageable again… but that goes against Microsoft philosophy it seems.

Re: 2025 was a disaster for Windows 11

#12

Post by tupac_speedrap » Wed, Dec 31, 2025, 5:14 PM UTC

And Microsoft don't care in the slightest, they have lots of market share so they have been pivoting to the enshittification phase especially over the past few years... the UX is still a cluster fuck but hey there's plenty of space for ads and AI integration now

Re: 2025 was a disaster for Windows 11

#13

Post by MarsIronPI » Wed, Dec 31, 2025, 5:15 PM UTC

xg15 wrote: post #7

So. Nvidia abandons the gaming market, Microsoft abandons Windows and Google abandons Search, all because AI is supposedly more important. At some point it starts to feel like a drug for C-suites.

To be fair to Nvidia, they're only selling the pickaxes in this gold craze. It's smart for them to focus on the market that pays the most. When the AI bubble pops, they'll still be in a great position and they'll be able to return to gaming.

Re: 2025 was a disaster for Windows 11

#14

Post by bigyabai » Wed, Dec 31, 2025, 5:15 PM UTC

xg15 wrote: post #7

So. Nvidia abandons the gaming market, Microsoft abandons Windows and Google abandons Search, all because AI is supposedly more important. At some point it starts to feel like a drug for C-suites.

> Nvidia abandons the gaming market

Citation? I've been hearing this from Gamer's Nexus for decades, but Nvidia seems to be fine RAM shortage notwithstanding.

Re: 2025 was a disaster for Windows 11

#15

Post by josefritzishere » Wed, Dec 31, 2025, 5:18 PM UTC

wtcactus wrote: post #11

xg15 wrote: post #7

So. Nvidia abandons the gaming market, Microsoft abandons Windows and Google abandons Search, all because AI is supposedly more important. At some point it starts to feel like a drug for C-suites.

Hum. Windows has been ridden with bugs forever. I don’t see how this is connected to Microsoft abandoning windows in favor of AI. Windows code base is just too heavy to maintain. They need to break compatibility with older products like MacOS often does, so that Windows can be manageable again… but that goes against Microsoft philosophy it seems.

That's not the whole story. The challenges associated with legacy app support have nothign to do with ads, telemetry, reCall and jamming AI into every crevice. Microsoft is doing both things wrong and 11 is a hot mess for that.

Re: 2025 was a disaster for Windows 11

#16

Post by hermitcrab » Wed, Dec 31, 2025, 5:18 PM UTC

I've been using Windows since 3.1. I really resent how intrusive it has got. I feel that I am both paying and the product, at the same time.

Re: 2025 was a disaster for Windows 11

#17

Post by SunshineTheCat » Wed, Dec 31, 2025, 5:18 PM UTC

areoform wrote: post #10

I'm a macos / linux user who bought a second-hand windows PC last year for CAD and games. Windows 11 is worse than you think it is. It's worse than the data harvesting (which required two hours to turn off), irritating ads (for an OS you pay for) and generally schizophrenic UX (don't get me started on the Start menu). The Windows team has gone far beyond typical bugs. They're introducing new classes of bugs; one day…

As someone who has been primarily Mac for most of my life, I started using a Windows machine fairly recently for work.

I'm tied down to the Windows eco-system (Teams, Outlook, etc).

I still haven't gotten use to the idea of every link in Microsoft apps opening in Edge regardless of your settings.

This might seem like a small thing, but the entire UX seems to be designed around benefiting Microsoft, not the user.

Re: 2025 was a disaster for Windows 11

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Post by Geonode » Wed, Dec 31, 2025, 5:20 PM UTC

xg15 wrote: post #7

So. Nvidia abandons the gaming market, Microsoft abandons Windows and Google abandons Search, all because AI is supposedly more important. At some point it starts to feel like a drug for C-suites.

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Re: 2025 was a disaster for Windows 11

#19

Post by areoform » Wed, Dec 31, 2025, 5:21 PM UTC

SunshineTheCat wrote: post #17

areoform wrote: post #10

I'm a macos / linux user who bought a second-hand windows PC last year for CAD and games. Windows 11 is worse than you think it is. It's worse than the data harvesting (which required two hours to turn off), irritating ads (for an OS you pay for) and generally schizophrenic UX (don't get me started on the Start menu). The Windows team has gone far beyond typical bugs. They're introducing new classes of bugs; one day…

As someone who has been primarily Mac for most of my life, I started using a Windows machine fairly recently for work. I'm tied down to the Windows eco-system (Teams, Outlook, etc). I still haven't gotten use to the idea of every link in Microsoft apps opening in Edge regardless of your settings. This might seem like a small thing, but the entire UX seems to be designed around benefiting Microsoft, not the user.

It is incredibly user hostile. And it's not even free. This is an ecosystem you pay for.

They're treating folks shelling out $200 for an OS as if they were cattle on the adtech train.

Re: 2025 was a disaster for Windows 11

#20

Post by yoyohello13 » Wed, Dec 31, 2025, 5:21 PM UTC

Microsoft in 2025: We fired a bunch of engineers and mandated AI usage. 90% of our code is now generated by AI.

Also Microsoft in 2025: Record setting bugs and anti-features released.

Case study in code quantity is not equal to code quality.