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Efficient method to capture carbon dioxide from the atmosphere

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Re: Efficient method to capture carbon dioxide from the atmosphere

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At current rates of emissions, we’re only about 20 years away from people needing to install CO2 scrubbers in their homes. Soda lime, or calcium hydroxide, is the current state of the art. We use that in an anesthesia and in saltwater aquariums and in scuba rebreathers. An idealized system can capture 500 mg per gram, but in practice you only capture around 250mg/g. This outperforms the method in the article but it’s…

Do you have a citation for that 20 years estimate?

According to https://www.co2meter.com/blogs/news/carbon-dioxide-indoor-le..., at 1000 ppm people start getting drowsy. Let's assume that a decent indoor environment has 300 ppm more CO2 This means that our threshold for when people start getting drowsy even in decent indoor environments is when atmospheric CO2 reaches 700 ppm. For reference, it is currently around 420 ppm, and pre-industrial levels were 280 ppm.

From https://www.climate.gov/news-features/understanding-climate/..., the pessimistic projections suggest that we may reach our 700 ppm threshold by roughly 2070; 45 years from now. (The graphs are hard to read precisely)

The 300 ppm offset compared to the outside air is naturally just an arbitrary number, everything up to 1000 ppm (meaning everything up to 580 ppm more than atmospheric levels) is considered "acceptable". That means any increase in CO2 concentration will take an indoor environment which used to be considered "acceptable" and make it cross the threshold into "unacceptable". An indoor environment which would've been at 900 ppm around the industrial revolution (280 ppm) would've crossed the threshold when we surpassed 380 ppm (which was in 1965 according to https://www.statista.com/statistics/1091926/atmospheric-conc...).

let's compare the past 20 years. In 2004, the concentration was ~377 ppm. That's 47 ppm lower than what was in 2024. An indoor environment which was "borderline but acceptable" at 955 ppm CO2 in 2004 would've crossed the arbitrary 1000 ppm threshold by now, and therefore would benefit from a CO2 scrubber. The next 20 years will likely have a higher increase than the past 20 years, so there will be a larger range of currently acceptable indoor environments which will cross the 1000 ppm threshold by 2045.

TL;DR: It's complicated, 20 years is arbitrary, but as CO2 concentrations increase, indoor quality gets worse so indoor environments which were already bad will become worse. 45 years is a more realistic estimate for when your typical good indoor environment will become unacceptable, but it's a gradient.

Re: Efficient method to capture carbon dioxide from the atmosphere

#102

Well, instead of repeating myself manually, I'll paste in a comment of mine here from a past discussion on carbon capture: It's easy to forget why there is a bit of a challenge to getting C02 out of the air: there's so little of it, comparatively. In order, air is, broadly, made up of the following: Nitrogen: %78.084 Oxygen: %20.946 Argon: %00.934 CO2: %00.042 The stuff is essentially beyond a rounding error - it rea…

Plants seem to manage it okay.

They don't, and they can't cheat physical realities either.

Plants only filter out very small amounts of CO2 from the air over relatively long timeframes. That's why crop-based biofuels require such enormous amounts of space.

Re: Efficient method to capture carbon dioxide from the atmosphere

#103

Well, instead of repeating myself manually, I'll paste in a comment of mine here from a past discussion on carbon capture: It's easy to forget why there is a bit of a challenge to getting C02 out of the air: there's so little of it, comparatively. In order, air is, broadly, made up of the following: Nitrogen: %78.084 Oxygen: %20.946 Argon: %00.934 CO2: %00.042 The stuff is essentially beyond a rounding error - it rea…

What if one started emitting Nitrogen, Oxygen and Argon in the right proportions instead to get the mix right again?

Think about the magnitude you’re talking about here. Every internal combustion engine on earth is emitting CO2. Every volcano, forest fire, coal power plant, etc. The atmosphere is massive. We’ve been, basically, doing our best to pump it full of CO2 for the last 150 years, and this is what we’ve got. Ignoring the chemical challenges with your idea here, the scale is impossibly gargantuan.

Re: Efficient method to capture carbon dioxide from the atmosphere

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Well, instead of repeating myself manually, I'll paste in a comment of mine here from a past discussion on carbon capture: It's easy to forget why there is a bit of a challenge to getting C02 out of the air: there's so little of it, comparatively. In order, air is, broadly, made up of the following: Nitrogen: %78.084 Oxygen: %20.946 Argon: %00.934 CO2: %00.042 The stuff is essentially beyond a rounding error - it rea…

What if one started emitting Nitrogen, Oxygen and Argon in the right proportions instead to get the mix right again?

Interesting thought but you would need a lot of these gasses on the one hand and on the other hand it doesn’t help in working against the greenhouse effect. The greenhouse effect depends on the absolute amount of CO2 in the atmosphere, not the percentage. How much infrared light is absorbed by CO2 primarily depends on the amount of CO2 in the atmosphere.

Re: Efficient method to capture carbon dioxide from the atmosphere

#105

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These gases are refined from air to begin with.

Do they need to be?

Where else are they going to come from? They’re all basic elements, either you separate them from air, or you have to go through an energy intensive process to liberate them from various chemicals they’ve been compounded into.

But guess what, all of those chemicals are extremely valuable, such as nitrates for fertiliser, water, and Argon does really react with anything (it’s a noble gas), which is why we use it as a shield gas in processes like welding.

So producing enough of those gases to somehow offset CO2 production would first require ludicrously large amounts of energy, and if we had access to that amount of clean energy we wouldn’t even be having this discussion. Plus it requires breaking down really valuable chemicals that we spend quite a lot of energy trying to produce or preserve anyway.

Re: Efficient method to capture carbon dioxide from the atmosphere

#106

Earlier quoted context omitted.

These gases are refined from air to begin with.

Do they need to be?

Where would that come from? It's not that we have some large untapped Oxygen or Nitrogen source laying around that is not part of the atmosphere.

Re: Efficient method to capture carbon dioxide from the atmosphere

#107
post #82

Earlier quoted context omitted.

https://gml.noaa.gov/ccgg/trends/ Extending the current exponential for 20 years, we get into the 500ppm region. I don't think that's enough to need scrubbers.

Indoor is always higher ppm (how much depends on many parameters) without proper ventilation. „Proper“ should include a „Heat exchanger“ thus you don’t need to reheat fresh air.

Still, it will add some 80ppm over the amount you have today. There's a huge amount of disagreement over how much CO2 is harmful, but it tends to happen over numbers way above 800ppm.

If your room has 2 times the open air concentration, and you are concerned if it's 2.0 times or 2.2 times, you should already be dealing with the problem.

Re: Efficient method to capture carbon dioxide from the atmosphere

#108
post #67

At current rates of emissions, we’re only about 20 years away from people needing to install CO2 scrubbers in their homes. Soda lime, or calcium hydroxide, is the current state of the art. We use that in an anesthesia and in saltwater aquariums and in scuba rebreathers. An idealized system can capture 500 mg per gram, but in practice you only capture around 250mg/g. This outperforms the method in the article but it’s…

I think it’s little appreciated that high CO2 levels cause cognitive impairment, and with the same amount of (often very poor) air exchange, higher outdoor concentrations can push indoor spaces to levels that cause impaired cognition and poor sleep. I’ve already been seeing this in my home, and will often open windows even when cold just to keep co2 levels reasonable. One solution that can help is an external air hea…

Ok this sounds like BS, what kind of sensor is being used to get such readings? What do you use?

Re: Efficient method to capture carbon dioxide from the atmosphere

#109
post #7

What are the use cases of CO2 appart for making my Coke fizz?

Supercritical CO2 turbines: https://energy.wisc.edu/industry/technology-highlights/super...

On a much smaller scale I've been hoping for a small solar powered CO2 compressor to exist so I could use it for mosquito traps. The state of the art for those right now is burning propane for the CO2 combined with a scent emitter for the human smell to attract female mosquitos.

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