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I migrated to an almost all-EU stack and saved 500€ per year

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Re: I migrated to an almost all-EU stack and saved 500€ per year

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Post by praseodym »

airspresso wrote: post #120
tick_tock_tick wrote: post #39

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> When you’re interacting with Google, everything you do is going into a log somewhere to be monetized. I've got a bridge to sell you if you think Apple isn't doing the exact same thing. What do you think they are doing with all their focus on their ad business?

Apple has a solid hardware business and massive profits from their App Store tax, they are not dependent on ad business in the way Google is. Very different incentives.

They might not be dependent on ad revenue, but they are a greedy company that will not leave any money on the table. Next year, more ads are coming to the App Store that already generates a profit of over $10 billion/year: https://9to5mac.com/2025/12/17/apple-announces-more-ads-are-...

Re: I migrated to an almost all-EU stack and saved 500€ per year

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Post by hackerInnen »

Okay looks like proton does a lot nowadays. But if someone wants a nice email provider that just works I can't stop to recommend posteo. A german email provider. 1€/month and they are just great. Been using them for 15 years now or something like that and I never had any problems. At least I can't remember any. They also always give out a transparency report[1] and apparently can't hand out much data to governments, because the data is just encrypted and they can't access it.

The only down side I have heard, that people have, is that you cannot use your own domains.

- [1] https://posteo.de/en/site/transparency_report

Re: I migrated to an almost all-EU stack and saved 500€ per year

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Post by kassner »

throw-12-16 wrote: post #107
cromka wrote: post #91

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's not about configuration but rather your IP reputation and the struggle to not have your mail go straight to addressee's spam folder.

Thats just a matter of buying a decent IP and setting up DMARC and DKIM. I see this reasoning as the #1 reason not to self host, but it really isn't a big issue once you do the initial setup.

> Thats just a matter of buying a decent IP

Please expand on this. Public cloud IPs would be on spam lists, and providers like Hetzner and OVH aren’t any better. Where does one go to buy a decent IP?

Re: I migrated to an almost all-EU stack and saved 500€ per year

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Post by dewey »

hackerInnen wrote: post #152

Okay looks like proton does a lot nowadays. But if someone wants a nice email provider that just works I can't stop to recommend posteo. A german email provider. 1€/month and they are just great. Been using them for 15 years now or something like that and I never had any problems. At least I can't remember any. They also always give out a transparency report[1] and apparently can't hand out much data to governments,…

Not being able to use your domain is a pretty massive downside.

The great part about email is that you can move between providers without issues. I wouldn’t want to use a posteo.de email for all my services when I don’t know if they will be around in 10 years.

Re: I migrated to an almost all-EU stack and saved 500€ per year

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Post by scrollaway »

wtcactus wrote: post #124
scrollaway wrote: post #87

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I started watching YouTuber Evan Edinger recently and it’s been a breath of fresh air because he’s been saying things I understood to be true a long time ago, but never quite verified until now. One of those being about American exceptionalism and how Americans will only ever make judgement about other countries (including the EU) from the highly deformed perspective of their local news. And they’ll do this, knowingl…

I’m European, you self righteous authoritarian lover.

And? You're linking a US media website, one famous for having its head way up the american exceptionalism hole.

Also, didn't you vote to not call yourself European or something-something?

Re: I migrated to an almost all-EU stack and saved 500€ per year

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Post by hackerInnen »

dewey wrote: post #155
hackerInnen wrote: post #152

Okay looks like proton does a lot nowadays. But if someone wants a nice email provider that just works I can't stop to recommend posteo. A german email provider. 1€/month and they are just great. Been using them for 15 years now or something like that and I never had any problems. At least I can't remember any. They also always give out a transparency report[1] and apparently can't hand out much data to governments,…

Not being able to use your domain is a pretty massive downside. The great part about email is that you can move between providers without issues. I wouldn’t want to use a posteo.de email for all my services when I don’t know if they will be around in 10 years.

True and nowadays I would take that into consideration too. But I was young when I created that account (I think it was around some leak scandal or whatever that made me move from hotmail to posteo). But it turned out to be a nice decision.

For a business email this might not be cool tho. I get that

Re: I migrated to an almost all-EU stack and saved 500€ per year

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Post by debois »

kavouras wrote: post #10

I don't like the idea of moving from google's ecosystem to proton. While they're better, ecosystems tend to get locked down or change for the worse.I'm not planning to repeat the google cycle. I got my own domain for email, bitwarden for passwords, firefox forks for browsing, and many other stuff to get off google. Also I realised that stuff like contacts, notes, calendar don't really need to be on the cloud, but I'm…

I agree that Google (and in the above comment MS) failed to fulfill their lofty promises (“don’t be evil” etc.)

But the blame is on us: we should have known better than to entrust our data to free services run by a company whose entire revenue comes from ads.

Proton is funded by our subscription payments. I think there’s reasonable hope that their incentives will remained aligned with those of their paying users.

Re: I migrated to an almost all-EU stack and saved 500€ per year

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Post by throw-12-16 »

kassner wrote: post #153
throw-12-16 wrote: post #107

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Thats just a matter of buying a decent IP and setting up DMARC and DKIM. I see this reasoning as the #1 reason not to self host, but it really isn't a big issue once you do the initial setup.

> Thats just a matter of buying a decent IP Please expand on this. Public cloud IPs would be on spam lists, and providers like Hetzner and OVH aren’t any better. Where does one go to buy a decent IP?

Use an IP reputation tool like https://mxtoolbox.com/blacklists.aspx

What you will find is that many dedicated IP's from larger vendors are fine.

I personally use Hetzner and don't have any issues with reputation at all.

Re: I migrated to an almost all-EU stack and saved 500€ per year

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Post by wiether »

omnimus wrote: post #62
nocchedure wrote: post #8

I’m heavily invested in the Google ecosystem and nothing would make me happier than switching to a privacy-focused European alternative. However, the value of the Google Workspace* mid-tier (approx. 15€) is hard to beat, I think. I get: - granular domain \ email controls (blocklists, routing rules, etc.) - 2tb of google drive space - and now Gemini, which is quite nice It’s 2025, and I’m still finding it impossible t…

Infomanikak “kSuite bussiness” plan 79eur year. 5 email adresses. 3TB drive (their kDrive is legit better than google drive). WebDav/CardDav/CalDav. Their kMeet conferencing is solid. Recently they got some Euria AI - i havent tried it i bet it's bad. Rest though i really like.

I don't want to be _that_ guy pushing Infomaniak on each thread about email, but, yeah, it allowed me to get out of Google (with Kagi) with quite a lot of success.

Regarding Euria, I don't use it much since I have Kagi Assistant and other things via work, but I was quite surprised by the results given its cost.

The only annoying thing I saw was that it kept answering in French even though I prompted in English.

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