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Re: I migrated to an almost all-EU stack and saved 500€ per year

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Post by lostmsu » Tue, Dec 30, 2025, 10:11 AM UTC

scrollaway wrote: post #87

wtcactus wrote: post #74

I find it funny that right at the start the author claims he wants "privacy and data sovereignty" and then he comes into the EU. Now, Proton is based in Switzerland (thank god for some sane countries in Europe that still remain), but EU is not friend to your "privacy and data sovereignty". Countries in EU are going after you (and demanding that external platforms disclosure your anonymous identity so that they can pu…

I started watching YouTuber Evan Edinger recently and it’s been a breath of fresh air because he’s been saying things I understood to be true a long time ago, but never quite verified until now. One of those being about American exceptionalism and how Americans will only ever make judgement about other countries (including the EU) from the highly deformed perspective of their local news. And they’ll do this, knowingl…

So many words with 0 useful information.

Re: I migrated to an almost all-EU stack and saved 500€ per year

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Post by ranguna » Tue, Dec 30, 2025, 10:14 AM UTC

drstewart wrote: post #106

cromka wrote: post #99

Earlier quoted context omitted.

So anyone not aligning with the U.S. is basically in bed with China/Russia? Huh, where have we heard this before? Also, the irony here is you not seeing the ongoing Russia-US alignment.

Sorry, can you define non-US for me? Does a Chinese data centre count as a US option, or are people not moving towards "non-US" options? Let's play the game where you slowly whittle your definition of "non-US" to a set of villages in Iceland and Norway

I'm not sure what your problem is here.

Non-US means anything that is not US. Pickup a map and start enumerating countries, China and Russia are just two of many.

Re: I migrated to an almost all-EU stack and saved 500€ per year

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Post by ranguna » Tue, Dec 30, 2025, 10:14 AM UTC

petcat wrote: post #17

ape4 wrote: post #14

They moved from platform A to platform B.

And platform B is basically a worse version of everything than platform A. I admire the motivation though

Care to elaborate?

Re: I migrated to an almost all-EU stack and saved 500€ per year

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Post by graemep » Tue, Dec 30, 2025, 10:18 AM UTC

It is not an EU based stack. Proton is Swiss and Switzerland is not in the EU.

Re: I migrated to an almost all-EU stack and saved 500€ per year

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Post by graemep » Tue, Dec 30, 2025, 10:19 AM UTC

PeterStuer wrote: post #96

Does Proton have transactional email already? Back when I was looking it did not seem to have it and I went with Zoho (not EU, I know) instead.

Proton is not EU either. it is Swiss.

Re: I migrated to an almost all-EU stack and saved 500€ per year

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Post by coldtea » Tue, Dec 30, 2025, 10:20 AM UTC

graemep wrote: post #134

It is not an EU based stack. Proton is Swiss and Switzerland is not in the EU.

Close enough

Re: I migrated to an almost all-EU stack and saved 500€ per year

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Post by RamblingCTO » Tue, Dec 30, 2025, 10:20 AM UTC

I'd love to switch my SaaS stack to europe. But loops, resend, cloudflare, supabase, stripe/polar are kinda baked in my SaaS starterkit and it's easy to spin up a new idea and test traction. So if anyone has alternatives, I'm all ears.

Re: I migrated to an almost all-EU stack and saved 500€ per year

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Post by cess11 » Tue, Dec 30, 2025, 10:22 AM UTC

miki123211 wrote: post #127

whazor wrote: post #94

Earlier quoted context omitted.

We should all have e-mail backups regardless of which service we are on. Even Google shuts down accounts randomly. Owning your domain and having e-mail backups makes it easy to switch e-mail services.

Owning your domain just changes your point of failure from Google to your registrar. It is not, in fact, any safer. It's not like registrars haven't randomly shut down people's domains due to accidental (or malicious) abuse reports.

It's easier to keep track of your own IP addresses than whatever you'd hosts or DNS hack to over at Google.

Re: I migrated to an almost all-EU stack and saved 500€ per year

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Post by tapete1 » Tue, Dec 30, 2025, 10:24 AM UTC

tormeh wrote: post #110

What's this person's phone OS? This seems somewhat overlooked here. To me, the mobile OS is the centerpiece of any ecosystem. That leaves only two options.

To me, it is the most unimportant one. I don't even read email on my phone. The screen is way too small to do anything useful.

Re: I migrated to an almost all-EU stack and saved 500€ per year

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Post by fiskfiskfisk » Tue, Dec 30, 2025, 10:25 AM UTC

miki123211 wrote: post #127

whazor wrote: post #94

Earlier quoted context omitted.

We should all have e-mail backups regardless of which service we are on. Even Google shuts down accounts randomly. Owning your domain and having e-mail backups makes it easy to switch e-mail services.

Owning your domain just changes your point of failure from Google to your registrar. It is not, in fact, any safer. It's not like registrars haven't randomly shut down people's domains due to accidental (or malicious) abuse reports.

But as long as you're using a registrar in your own country and a TLD managed by a legal entity in your own country, you do have a path of legal recourse against both parties.

It might not be successful, but you do have far better options than relying on a third party in a country far away.

It's always a varying grade, not either/or.