It doesn’t seem like Proton even really cares about the how bad their mail search is and is more focused on releasing new products.
I migrated to an almost all-EU stack and saved 500€ per year
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Re: I migrated to an almost all-EU stack and saved 500€ per year
#42Earlier quoted context omitted.
That's a choice. But it's not everyone's choice. And with , the non-USA choice is rapidly becoming more popular - at least among the people I know and talk to outside the US.
EU has always and always will be moving away from US tech
Re: I migrated to an almost all-EU stack and saved 500€ per year
#43> Blogging, Newsletter & Co.: Well, as you can see, I’m writing on Substack. There are no alternatives except to host it entirely yourself, but that doesn’t make sense to me right now. This is wrong. There are loads of alternatives, which I can't remember at the moment. AlternativeTo.net lists Hyvor Blogs ( https://blogs.hyvor.com/ ), which isn't one of the ones I was familiar with and cannot vouch for, but serves as…
Open-source, managed service, based in Germany, and integrates with Proton. Authoring in a block editor or Markdown. Optional built-in analytics with a focus on preserving privacy. Web-hosted posts added about two weeks ago.
Re: I migrated to an almost all-EU stack and saved 500€ per year
#44For me its going from $0 to $15 a month using Proton which feels way to high. Im cutting proton and switching to Proton free tier for email and Backblaze for storage. Getting a little $100 pc to put in my draw to handle hosting all the stuff i need. My budget is around $10 a month to cover all the tech NEEDS. I think its doable but I will need to pay with my time to learn about/setup a foss stack. I'll also need to p…
Re: I migrated to an almost all-EU stack and saved 500€ per year
#45I’m heavily invested in the Google ecosystem and nothing would make me happier than switching to a privacy-focused European alternative. However, the value of the Google Workspace* mid-tier (approx. 15€) is hard to beat, I think. I get: - granular domain \ email controls (blocklists, routing rules, etc.) - 2tb of google drive space - and now Gemini, which is quite nice It’s 2025, and I’m still finding it impossible t…
It’s far from impossible, you just have to prioritize your privacy at more than a few bucks a month.
Re: I migrated to an almost all-EU stack and saved 500€ per year
#46Earlier quoted context omitted.
Try reading more books, eg autobiographies or fiction. Understanding other people’s perspectives is a skill like any other.
Maybe you should take your own advise and try to understand his perspective.
Re: I migrated to an almost all-EU stack and saved 500€ per year
#47I really wanted to switch to the Proton stack and even tried it for a couple weeks but the search in Proton Mail is so bad I couldn’t use it for even simple things like finding my airline tickets. I had to switch back to Google Workspace. It doesn’t seem like Proton even really cares about the how bad their mail search is and is more focused on releasing new products.
The desktop outlook (the real one, not the 'new' one which is just the web version) is much better of course as it searches locally but it's only on windows. And thunderbird doesn't work great with M365.
But anyway my point is even supposedly premium services screw this up.
Re: I migrated to an almost all-EU stack and saved 500€ per year
#48I really wanted to switch to the Proton stack and even tried it for a couple weeks but the search in Proton Mail is so bad I couldn’t use it for even simple things like finding my airline tickets. I had to switch back to Google Workspace. It doesn’t seem like Proton even really cares about the how bad their mail search is and is more focused on releasing new products.
Outlook online (I have M365 business basic) search sucks just as much. It finds really recent emails and ones from years ago but nothing in between for some reason. The desktop outlook (the real one, not the 'new' one which is just the web version) is much better of course as it searches locally but it's only on windows. And thunderbird doesn't work great with M365. But anyway my point is even supposedly premium serv…
I am very confused by the MicroSoft product branding, but on MacOS there is a "proper" application: "Microsoft Outlook for Mac". As I understand this is called the "New Outlook" which is a native, non-Electron version. As it is not Electron based it is only 2.6GB (/s).
Anyways.. the search capabilities are insanely bad for searches outside of your current mailbox. It might be related to handling of large result sets where it just provides a limited set of random hits as opposed to a set with the most recent hits. When you provide from-to dates (from a hideously complicated "advanced" menu) the results seem a bit better.
edit/addition: on MacOS, Outlook supposedly uses the native "Spotlight" search engine. MacOS spotlight, when used from the Finder, actually does a really good job in finding the E-mail .eml files from the file system and, when clicked, they open up in Outlook.
Re: I migrated to an almost all-EU stack and saved 500€ per year
#49For me its going from $0 to $15 a month using Proton which feels way to high. Im cutting proton and switching to Proton free tier for email and Backblaze for storage. Getting a little $100 pc to put in my draw to handle hosting all the stuff i need. My budget is around $10 a month to cover all the tech NEEDS. I think its doable but I will need to pay with my time to learn about/setup a foss stack. I'll also need to p…
If Proton is too expensive, you can use zoho. I switched from Google and I'm missing nothing.
Zoho's free plan stopped offering custom domains and/or limits imap access.
[0] - https://workspace.google.com/lp/business/ [1] - https://www.zoho.com/us/billing/pricing/
Re: I migrated to an almost all-EU stack and saved 500€ per year
#50Earlier quoted context omitted.
Outlook online (I have M365 business basic) search sucks just as much. It finds really recent emails and ones from years ago but nothing in between for some reason. The desktop outlook (the real one, not the 'new' one which is just the web version) is much better of course as it searches locally but it's only on windows. And thunderbird doesn't work great with M365. But anyway my point is even supposedly premium serv…
>> The desktop outlook (the real one, not the 'new' one which is just the web version) is much better of course as it searches locally but it's only on windows. I am very confused by the MicroSoft product branding, but on MacOS there is a "proper" application: "Microsoft Outlook for Mac". As I understand this is called the "New Outlook" which is a native, non-Electron version. As it is not Electron based it is only 2…
Have a look at Word. The app, the web version, the Teams versions. Try editing in one and then opening in another - they aren’t even compatible. It’s such a nasty swamp.