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Re: Kidnapped by Deutsche Bahn

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Post by JeremyTheo »

tomesch1982 wrote: post #559

Clickbait. The opening paragraph contains some factual errors (you can only get kicked off a train when you do something illegal) and the whole story lives by exaggeration and missing facts. It is as moronic as saying people were kidnapped when a plane had to divert because of the weather. Also he would have been entitled to get a paid cab ride to his destination when that happens. But that is just one of the facts h…

Kicked Off = we have to stop for some technical reasons that are further unspecified, and everyone has to leave the train because we are driving now in the opposite direction. a replacement bus is coming. Once every hour. With a capacity of 8 people. In some cow village 50km far away from the next city. With no cab service available. Thats was what i meant

What facts are missing in your opinion?

Re: Kidnapped by Deutsche Bahn

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Post by bondarchuk »

pjmlp wrote: post #577
bondarchuk wrote: post #566

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Or.. english-speaking people forget not everyone speaks english. If you go to another country you have to learn a bit about how things are done there, ask for help, etc.., most people consider this a normal part of traveling.

Great advice which I assume you follow to the letter.

idk man, I get it's nice if things are clear for you, but it's misplaced IMO to have this level of entitlement over people speaking their mother tongue in their own country

Re: Kidnapped by Deutsche Bahn

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Post by nephihaha »

sandblast2 wrote: post #448
purpleflame1257 wrote: post #229

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Venkatesh Rao offers the following definition of the "Fourth World" Fourth world: Parts of the developed world that have collapsed past third-world conditions because industrial safety nets have simultaneously withered from neglect/underfunding, and are being overwhelmed by demand, but where pre-modern societal structures don’t exist as backstops anymore. This is what this story reminds me of.

I am sorry but this is not Rao's but Umair Haque's and he considers the UK and the US Fourth World.

Scotland, Wales, and Cornwall are fourth world stateless nations.

Re: Kidnapped by Deutsche Bahn

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Post by loglog »

manarth wrote: post #117
cowl wrote: post #64

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rerouted? it was a completly different destination, much further than he was originally. there is nothing "noone can do" about stupid burecracies like "can't stop at this station because we are not registered". First they had time to register the stop when they changed the itinery, Second if they failed that somehow, and most probably because of "there was no manual how to do it", in a sittuation like these, stupid r…

The key explanation for failing to stop at the station is that the train was on the wrong track . > "Apparently we were not registered at Troisdorf station, so we are on the wrong tracks" Many stations have a 4 track system: a left track and right track which are adjacent to platforms, and 2 tracks in the middle, which are designed for non-stopping trains. If the train was on the middle track, stopping would introduc…

It was extremely easy for that train to stop in Bonn-Beuel, which is anyway far superior to Troisdorf for a train that was originally scheduled to stop at Bonn Central Station. Failing to stop there shows perfectly how little DB cares about its passengers.

Re: Kidnapped by Deutsche Bahn

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Post by nephihaha »

valcker wrote: post #555
forinti wrote: post #436

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The Germans follow the rules too strictly and in South America we ignore the rules too lightly. I wonder if there's a country somewhere with the right balance.

France, while not perfect, is still balancing it +/- correctly.

France has a reputation of being permanently on strike, but is perhaps the only European country that is simultaneously northern European and Mediterranean at the same time.

Re: Kidnapped by Deutsche Bahn

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Post by tossandthrow »

tomesch1982 wrote: post #559

Clickbait. The opening paragraph contains some factual errors (you can only get kicked off a train when you do something illegal) and the whole story lives by exaggeration and missing facts. It is as moronic as saying people were kidnapped when a plane had to divert because of the weather. Also he would have been entitled to get a paid cab ride to his destination when that happens. But that is just one of the facts h…

Entitled to what?

He could try to do it on his own accord - they have leverage to decline and he'd have to take it through several other over burdened agencies.

He could also try getting into contact with DB, and good luck with that.

My own DB story was from Hamburg hbf where 3 huge DB employers was standing guard in front of reisenzentrum (the customer service counter) and yelling at every own being incredibly rude.

DB is a joke, and it is imploding on itself. Staff seems so stressed and embarrassed by being a part of it.

Re: Kidnapped by Deutsche Bahn

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Post by potato3732842 »

nephihaha wrote: post #570
BloondAndDoom wrote: post #131

I feel like we lost humanity somewhere in modern world. I grew up in 3rd world country and if this were to happen, train would literally stop somewhere, anywhere. (With the assumption it’s safe from crewing into another train). But the idea that you go 55 minutes just because of policy; and skip 15 stations is crazy to me. Again with the assumptions that it can safely stop somewhere for 5m and I’m pretty sure the ans…

We live in a society where complaining is considered "verbal abuse" or "harassment", but where we have to put up and shut up about everything going on. The message out of 2020 and 2021, is that the big people know what they're doing and we don't.

We live in a society where being the victim of verbal abuse or harassment or various isms and all sorts of other petty things confers legitimacy and power upon one's opinion. There's a subtle difference.

Thankfully it seems to be waning slightly.

Re: Kidnapped by Deutsche Bahn

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Post by otikik »

> Hello everyone. Apparently we were not registered at Troisdorf station, so we are on the wrong tracks. We cannot stop.

Of course the train could not stop. It was not registered!

Re: Kidnapped by Deutsche Bahn

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Post by igsomething »

low_tech_love wrote: post #386
BloondAndDoom wrote: post #131

I feel like we lost humanity somewhere in modern world. I grew up in 3rd world country and if this were to happen, train would literally stop somewhere, anywhere. (With the assumption it’s safe from crewing into another train). But the idea that you go 55 minutes just because of policy; and skip 15 stations is crazy to me. Again with the assumptions that it can safely stop somewhere for 5m and I’m pretty sure the ans…

I’d say it’s mostly a North-European thing, not the whole world. I am a latin american living in Sweden and the overwhelming lack of empathy and humanity you’ll experience in the healthcare system is borderline unbelievable (until you learn to expect and deal with it). They trust the system so much that whenever it doesn’t work, it’s basically ”well bummer”. You become the 1% for which the system has failed, and you’…

As another 3rd world citizen living in Northern Europe, I usually describe it as "processes and rules over common sense". They understand your situation, they agree with you, they can solve your problem, but they will not do it because it goes against some obscure rule, or it would not follow a specific mandatory procedure step by step, and who knows what are consequences.

Re: Kidnapped by Deutsche Bahn

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Post by nephihaha »

wizzwizz4 wrote: post #547
wolvoleo wrote: post #238

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I don't think so as in this case Deutsche Bahnn owns both the station and the train. In the UK they've gone a bit crazy with the whole free market thing. Public transport should not be a market. In Germany there's also the issue that the powerful car makers are always lobbying the government to budget cut public transport.

The current UK government is re-nationalising the railways. Several operators are currently nationalised (and the train fares have dropped!), and the plan is for all of them to be, once the contracts run out.

The Welsh government has already nationalised local trains.
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