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Canonical asks desktop users to “pay what you think Ubuntu is worth”

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Re: Canonical asks desktop users to “pay what you think Ubuntu is worth”

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You can select which areas of development your payment goes to. http://cdn.arstechnica.net/wp-content/uploads/2012/10/how-mu...

I see that - but it would be nice if they covered which groups exactly would be funded by each item. For example, I am all for the hardware support aspect of Ubuntu - I would personally want to fund superior multi-display support and suspend/resume. Who are the developers in Ubuntu working on it ? In fact, ARE THERE any developers working on it. I would really appreciate some increased transparency here - because as…

Yes, there are... in fact, the unity developers are working in better multi-display support

Re: Canonical asks desktop users to “pay what you think Ubuntu is worth”

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The headline doesn't seem awful considering the actual screen which speaks for itself. http://cdn.arstechnica.net/wp-content/uploads/2012/10/how-mu... Also, it's not a traditional donation in the Mozilla Firefox sense because you cannot deduct it from your taxes because Canonical is a for-profit commercial organization.

In this form, Canonical overstates an appropriate objective in the tips: support more hardware? How about supporting any , thoroughly? I have done my best to buy hardware that I thought was to be well supported (on the desktop! because I thought power management would be "too hard", so I've given up on laptops), but as far as I can tell, nobody is home doing the QA and holding back releases (or, by any other means, m…

System76 notebooks?

Re: Canonical asks desktop users to “pay what you think Ubuntu is worth”

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I would like to pay the folks that manage the wonderful apt software repository. Not one red cent to the Unity team, though. I don't like where they are taking Linux.

The repository maintainers seem pretty shy, but I'm pretty sure that the original author behind apt is this guy: https://github.com/jgunthorpe , and you could send him a few dollars using gittip: https://www.gittip.com/

As jgunthorpe is not located in the U.S., receiving those dollars would involve a manual process and extra fees: https://www.gittip.com/about/

Re: Canonical asks desktop users to “pay what you think Ubuntu is worth”

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If I were interested in using an X based Unix, I'd probably do this and donate a few bucks. I like what Shuttleworth is doing, even as I don't want to use a Linux distro.

If you're interested in an X-based Unix, Ubuntu probably isn't the right thing to look at in the future, since I hear Wayland is supposed to be here Real Soon Now.

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If I were interested in using an X based Unix, I'd probably do this and donate a few bucks. I like what Shuttleworth is doing, even as I don't want to use a Linux distro.

If you're interested in an X-based Unix, Ubuntu probably isn't the right thing to look at in the future, since I hear Wayland is supposed to be here Real Soon Now.

I guess I was sort of trying to draw the distinction between OS X and anything else. Would've been faster to just say that. The less X in my life the happier I am.

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How about Canonical pays me for the hours I've spent debugging problems like scripts shipped with bugs or complete changes to the foundations of the operating system which just appear by surprise? I really like it when motd just randomly became some convoluted set of scripts.

Or when their fancy "Display some dots on the screen instead of kernel output on bootup" thing (Plymouth) only gets properly disabled by GDM and will otherwise continue to draw glowing dots across your window manager and applications. At least, that's what I found when I tried to run XDM + xmonad on my ARM netbook. Eventually had to go in and hack the XDM startup script so it too would properly shut off Plymouth before trying to run.

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In this form, Canonical overstates an appropriate objective in the tips: support more hardware? How about supporting any , thoroughly? I have done my best to buy hardware that I thought was to be well supported (on the desktop! because I thought power management would be "too hard", so I've given up on laptops), but as far as I can tell, nobody is home doing the QA and holding back releases (or, by any other means, m…

System76 notebooks?

They don't have the power to block a release if a three year old laptop is broken. Hence, not nearly good enough. If there was a System76 distro and it wasn't terrible in other dimensions then we'd be talking about something interesting.

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In this form, Canonical overstates an appropriate objective in the tips: support more hardware? How about supporting any , thoroughly? I have done my best to buy hardware that I thought was to be well supported (on the desktop! because I thought power management would be "too hard", so I've given up on laptops), but as far as I can tell, nobody is home doing the QA and holding back releases (or, by any other means, m…

I know how you feel. I'm afraid rock solid QA regarding hardware support seems almost impossible unless you get the manufacturers on board. Apple obviously has it easy in this regard. For what it's worth, I'm pretty sure the support for laptops is more dependable than the support for desktops, especially if you go for an unexciting configuration with Intel graphics etc.

Microsoft has it the easiest, and the result has been mediocrity in reliability (largely on account of bottom-dollar driver authorship), even given its monopoly power in the OEM market. Clearly, "just" locking up the entire OEM market is not enough to Achieve Results. Hence, the signed-driver certification programs we're seeing in recent years, although I have no idea how effective they are.

Apple does a crapload of work to make sure that the one, tiny blessed subset of integrated hardware they select every so often works well during the span of its useful life. Sure, they lean on driver authors of suppliers pretty hard, something which few can do, but they are not nearly as hands-off as Microsoft: the buck stops with them, and a bad integration is Their Fault. And, on the flip side, if you are not an Apple supplier you don't give even two bits about supporting their operating system, for obvious reasons.

If there was a Dell distro and it Did Not Suck, I'd seriously consider it. I consider Ubuntu good-enough, so it could be Ubuntu but carefully tested and with divergent kernel and driver releases when appropriate.

> For what it's worth, I'm pretty sure the support for laptops is more dependable than the support for desktops, especially if you go for an unexciting configuration with Intel graphics etc.

Doubtful, having not long ago possessing such a laptop and sitting next to a colleague in the current-day who has kept with the faith, although with increased grousing. He was, of course, careful with his hardware purchase, buying an ostensibly well-supported Thinkpad. The monitor on his desk still sits unused.

There is so much more to go wrong in common use cases that are eliminated on a desktop (because you can't even do some of them, or wouldn't want to). Wireless chipsets, power management, suspension and hibernation, fiddly bits like special softkeys, hot plugging displays, you name it. The weakest link on the desktop side is the video card, and this has proven to be bad enough for me -- crashes have come and gone for me with each Ubuntu release on a pretty plain-jane NVIDIA card.

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System76 notebooks?

They don't have the power to block a release if a three year old laptop is broken. Hence, not nearly good enough. If there was a System76 distro and it wasn't terrible in other dimensions then we'd be talking about something interesting.

Well, I agree that they don't have such power right now, but I don't think it's currently biggest bottleneck (linux doesn't break that often, + LTS releases get more and more usable, for example 12.04 is already good).

The bigger thing currently is to simply buy something and know it will 100% work with at least current Ubuntu. That's unfortune, but it's true.

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