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Self-hosting is being enshittified

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Re: Self-hosting is being enshittified

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Post by akerl_ »

underdeserver wrote: post #13
wmf wrote: post #12

Earlier quoted context omitted.

you choose if and when you update your back-end software That's what we say it's about. But it's really about open source devs being our slaves forever. Get to work, Mattermost! (whip crack)

Did you read the Github issue? These guys are paying customers.

Where are you seeing that? From what I can tell, the 10k message limit applies to "Mattermost Entry":

> Mattermost Entry gives small, forward-leaning teams a free self-hosted Intelligent Mission Environment to get started on improving their mission-critical secure collaborative workflows. Entry has all features of Enterprise Advanced with the following server-wide limitations and omissions:

https://docs.mattermost.com/product-overview/editions-and-of...

Re: Self-hosting is being enshittified

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Post by VerifiedReports »

I don't understand this fairly sparse "article."

"Plex added a paid license for remote streaming, a feature that was previously free. And then Plex decided to also sell personal data — I sure love self-hosted software spying on me."

How is it "self-hosted" if it's "remote streaming?" And if you're hosting it, you can throttle any outgoing traffic you want. Right?

The only other examples are Mattermost and MinIO... which I don't know much about, but again: Aren't you in control of your own host?

This article is lame. How about focusing on back-ends that pretend to support self-hosting but make it difficult by perpetuating massive gaps in its documentation (looking at you, Supabase)?

Re: Self-hosting is being enshittified

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Post by trueismywork »

CuriouslyC wrote: post #16
jamilbk wrote: post #11

I don't fully understand the complaints about enshittification of open source permissively licensed software. If the source code is available for you to fork, modify, and maintain as you see fit, what's the complaining really about?

People are going to start doing this a lot more as agents improve. Most people only need a very small fraction of the features of SaaS, and that fraction is slightly different for everyone, so the economics of companies trying to use features to chase users is bad. Even worse, if you're on SaaS you can't modify the code, which will be crippling, so the whole SaaS model is cooked. I think co-management is going to be…

What's co-management?

Re: Self-hosting is being enshittified

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Post by trueismywork »

empressplay wrote: post #17

On-premming your Internet services just seems like an exercise in self-flagellation. Unless you have a heavy-duty pipe to your prem you're just risking all kinds of headaches, and you're going to have to put your stuff behind Cloudflare anyway and if you're doing that why not use a VPS? It's just not practical for someone to run a little blog or app that way.

Some of us have have LAN for our offices and TBs of data.

Re: Self-hosting is being enshittified

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Post by hsjdndvvbv »

VerifiedReports wrote: post #22

I don't understand this fairly sparse "article." "Plex added a paid license for remote streaming, a feature that was previously free. And then Plex decided to also sell personal data — I sure love self-hosted software spying on me." How is it "self-hosted" if it's "remote streaming?" And if you're hosting it, you can throttle any outgoing traffic you want. Right? The only other examples are Mattermost and MinIO... wh…

> How is it "self-hosted" if it's "remote streaming?" And if you're hosting it, you can throttle any outgoing traffic you want. Right?

You host the plex service with your media library. Plex allows you to stream without opening up your firewall to others. Not sure now it works exactly because I never hosted it myself.

Re: Self-hosting is being enshittified

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Post by adastra22 »

hsjdndvvbv wrote: post #25
VerifiedReports wrote: post #22

I don't understand this fairly sparse "article." "Plex added a paid license for remote streaming, a feature that was previously free. And then Plex decided to also sell personal data — I sure love self-hosted software spying on me." How is it "self-hosted" if it's "remote streaming?" And if you're hosting it, you can throttle any outgoing traffic you want. Right? The only other examples are Mattermost and MinIO... wh…

> How is it "self-hosted" if it's "remote streaming?" And if you're hosting it, you can throttle any outgoing traffic you want. Right? You host the plex service with your media library. Plex allows you to stream without opening up your firewall to others. Not sure now it works exactly because I never hosted it myself.

Im confused. There are two different streaming things on Plex. They support streaming inside the plex app of content from the usual streaming services, much like Apple TV or your TV’s built in media manager. They also support streaming your collection across the internet to wherever you are. Which is now behind a paywall?

Re: Self-hosting is being enshittified

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Post by CuriouslyC »

trueismywork wrote: post #23
CuriouslyC wrote: post #16

Earlier quoted context omitted.

People are going to start doing this a lot more as agents improve. Most people only need a very small fraction of the features of SaaS, and that fraction is slightly different for everyone, so the economics of companies trying to use features to chase users is bad. Even worse, if you're on SaaS you can't modify the code, which will be crippling, so the whole SaaS model is cooked. I think co-management is going to be…

What's co-management?

Managed services that you have some ability to modify, to customize or add functionality.

Re: Self-hosting is being enshittified

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Post by doix »

hsjdndvvbv wrote: post #25
VerifiedReports wrote: post #22

I don't understand this fairly sparse "article." "Plex added a paid license for remote streaming, a feature that was previously free. And then Plex decided to also sell personal data — I sure love self-hosted software spying on me." How is it "self-hosted" if it's "remote streaming?" And if you're hosting it, you can throttle any outgoing traffic you want. Right? The only other examples are Mattermost and MinIO... wh…

> How is it "self-hosted" if it's "remote streaming?" And if you're hosting it, you can throttle any outgoing traffic you want. Right? You host the plex service with your media library. Plex allows you to stream without opening up your firewall to others. Not sure now it works exactly because I never hosted it myself.

> Plex allows you to stream without opening up your firewall to others.

It relies on their hosted services/infrastructure. I avoid Plex for that reason. I just host my media with nginx + indexing enabled. Wireguard for creating the tunnel between the server-client and Kodi as the frontend to view the media (you can add an indexed http server as a media source).

Works great, no transcoding like Plex, but that's less of an issue nowadays when hardware accelerated decoders are common for h264 & h265.

Re: Self-hosting is being enshittified

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Post by adastra22 »

PessimalDecimal wrote: post #4
weikju wrote: post #3

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Maybe the remaining 1/3 answers the question.

It doesn't. There's seemingly no connection between the handful of examples of self-hosting software actually getting worse, and the earlier point about hardware costs.

This is a year-in-review article. A scattering of topics is the point.

Re: Self-hosting is being enshittified

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Post by some-guy »

reactordev wrote: post #19

If you’re self-hosting, do you need 128GB of ram? I suspect you don’t. I suspect a couple of beelinks could run your whole business (minus the GPU needs).

I run quite a few services with a used Dell Wyse 5070 thin client PC from 2018 with 4GB of ram.
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