I don't fully understand the complaints about enshittification of open source permissively licensed software.
If the source code is available for you to fork, modify, and maintain as you see fit, what's the complaining really about?
Self-hosting is being enshittified
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Re: Self-hosting is being enshittified
#12Maybe I'm missing something here: the great thing about self-hosting is that you choose if and when you update your back-end software. What's stopping self-hosting admins from simply staying on a known good version and forking that if they so desire?
you choose if and when you update your back-end software
That's what we say it's about. But it's really about open source devs being our slaves forever. Get to work, Mattermost! (whip crack)
Re: Self-hosting is being enshittified
#13Maybe I'm missing something here: the great thing about self-hosting is that you choose if and when you update your back-end software. What's stopping self-hosting admins from simply staying on a known good version and forking that if they so desire?
you choose if and when you update your back-end software That's what we say it's about. But it's really about open source devs being our slaves forever. Get to work, Mattermost! (whip crack)
Did you read the Github issue? These guys are paying customers.
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#14in the last 5-10yrs...letsencrypt made ssl much easier..and its possible to host on small,cheap arm devices... yes no more dyndns free accounts... but u can still use afraid or do cf tunnels maybe? and in some cases nowadays u can get away with docker-compose up and some of those things like minio and mattermost are complaints about the free tier or complaints about self hosting? i can't tell indeed the easiest "self…
Mattermost is infamous crippleware and they charge more than slack for a worse product if you pay. Use Zulip.
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#15Earlier quoted context omitted.
you choose if and when you update your back-end software That's what we say it's about. But it's really about open source devs being our slaves forever. Get to work, Mattermost! (whip crack)
Did you read the Github issue? These guys are paying customers.
If so that is indeed shitty. I thought they were crippling the free tier.
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#16I don't fully understand the complaints about enshittification of open source permissively licensed software. If the source code is available for you to fork, modify, and maintain as you see fit, what's the complaining really about?
People are going to start doing this a lot more as agents improve. Most people only need a very small fraction of the features of SaaS, and that fraction is slightly different for everyone, so the economics of companies trying to use features to chase users is bad. Even worse, if you're on SaaS you can't modify the code, which will be crippling, so the whole SaaS model is cooked.
I think co-management is going to be the next paradigm.
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#17On-premming your Internet services just seems like an exercise in self-flagellation.
Unless you have a heavy-duty pipe to your prem you're just risking all kinds of headaches, and you're going to have to put your stuff behind Cloudflare anyway and if you're doing that why not use a VPS?
It's just not practical for someone to run a little blog or app that way.
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#18Maybe I'm missing something here: the great thing about self-hosting is that you choose if and when you update your back-end software. What's stopping self-hosting admins from simply staying on a known good version and forking that if they so desire?
Security updates is what's stopping them often.
You also realistically can't fork things unless multiple people do, and they all stay interested in the fork.
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#19If you’re self-hosting, do you need 128GB of ram?
I suspect you don’t. I suspect a couple of beelinks could run your whole business (minus the GPU needs).
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#20in the last 5-10yrs...letsencrypt made ssl much easier..and its possible to host on small,cheap arm devices... yes no more dyndns free accounts... but u can still use afraid or do cf tunnels maybe? and in some cases nowadays u can get away with docker-compose up and some of those things like minio and mattermost are complaints about the free tier or complaints about self hosting? i can't tell indeed the easiest "self…
Nowadays for self hosted DNS the solution I use is Pihole + Tailscale (for the Pihole DNS anywhere) if I could figure it out in one afternoon it is pretty idiot proof.