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Experts explore new mushroom which causes fairytale-like hallucinations

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Re: Experts explore new mushroom which causes fairytale-like hallucinations

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Post by squeefers »

jacquesm wrote: post #139
fc417fc802 wrote: post #80

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While your objection is technically correct it can still be useful (ie simple, straightforward, etc) to phrase things in terms of a goal. Since a goal (pursued by an intelligent being) and optimization pressure (a property of a blind process) are approximately the same thing in the end. In other words, Anthropomorphization can be useful despite not being true in a literal sense. Certainly this can be misleading to th…

It definitely is not useful. Your model should at least attempt to approximate reality, not to depart from it by putting effect before the cause. That way lies madness.

try telling that to quantum physicists... theyll just give you the wave function and say "well it works doesnt it"?

Re: Experts explore new mushroom which causes fairytale-like hallucinations

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Post by squeefers »

uplifter wrote: post #240
tor825gl wrote: post #239

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> he fell short of advocating that modeling them as having intention is a useful contrivance Sorry, I remember differently. That "modelling them as having intention is a useful contrivance" is exactly the central argument of the book. People misread the title by assuming that he was arguing that they actually did have intention.

That's fine, all I'm saying is that if genes don't actually have intention, then the utility of modeling them as though they do must be strictly limited, if not an outright liability in some contexts. Use the heuristic at your own risk, but don't sell it as gospel truth.

> but don't sell it as gospel truth.

i dont think he did

Re: Experts explore new mushroom which causes fairytale-like hallucinations

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Post by DonHopkins »

bavell wrote: post #243
DonHopkins wrote: post #227

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1) No one asked why it's being down voted (to... -1, the horror). I'm not here for internet points. 2) This isn't my field - I am not making any claims, merely relaying what I thought was an interesting concept/mechanism I hadn't heard of before, that I thought other curious individuals here might also think was interesting. Isn't that the entire point of HN? I would have very much appreciated links or something to G…

You obviously know they can't be trusted, you just said so.

Why not just say that as a disclaimer to the video, instead of attempting to "get ahead" of other people who also know that, and will call you on omitting it.

Don't dismiss HN users as "certain crowds" and preemptively try to head them off at the pass for pointing out what you chose to omit. What "certain crowds" would that be, people who don't tolerate bullshit?

It's not about "certain crowds" who know Joe Rogan and Bret Weinstein are full of shit, it's about Joe Rogan and Bret Weinstein being full of shit, and you knowingly repeating and recommending their shit.

FIFY:

>Joe Rogan and Bret Weinstein are full of shit, but I enjoyed the most recent Bret Weinstein interview on Joe Rogan [0] where Bret talks about his pet theory on natural selection / evolution (maybe 2/3 way through the interview), which is bullshit.

Then don't just repeat their bullshit without question. You could have even gone as far to explain WHY they're full of shit, and who they really are, and what other malicious bullshit they spew, instead of just propagating their bullshit without warning, as if "certain crowds" are trying to suppress that vital information.

When you uncritically recommend and parrot bullshit, and try to preempt comments from "certain crowds" who you know rightfully disagree, it sure comes off looking like you believe it, which is not a good look. The strongest plausible interpretation is that you enjoy listing to deceptive idiots make fools of themselves and spread misinformation, and I'll give you that.

"Junk DNA as variables that reduce search space" is a very old idea, but it's routinely introduced in popular media as if it fixes a flaw in evolution — usually the "pure random walk" strawman. That framing is a huge tell, because evolutionary biology abandoned that view generations ago.

Weinstein and Rogan’s signature move is to take settled science, remove its context and literature, and rebrand it as contrarian revelation, implying experts missed something obvious or are hiding it. That move reliably revives strawmen, Intelligent-Design-adjacent language, and manufactured doubt, while producing zero new knowledge.

Joe Rogan and Bret Weinstein are notorious not because they're unpopular, but because they're dishonest and corrosive.

Re: Experts explore new mushroom which causes fairytale-like hallucinations

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Post by squeefers »

DonHopkins wrote: post #210
uh_uh wrote: post #147

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I have little patience for intelligent-design and the likes, if that's what you are getting at. All I'm saying is that blind enumeration of mutations seems combinatorially infeasible due to the vastness of the search space. It is already known that mutation bias exists, so what I'm saying shouldn't be that controversial.

In stark contrast to what you're claiming, I have absolutely zero patience for intelligent design and the likes -- that’s exactly my point. All I'm saying is that the whole point of the theory of evolution is that blind enumeration of mutations is not required, and that combinatorial feasibility emerges in spite of the vastness of the search space. It is already well known that mutation bias exists, so none of this i…

great, but we still cannot say anything beyond "what survives, survives". fitness is a central concept to natural selection and ultimately evolution, but it seems to bother nobody that its an empty concept, a tautology. its a nice observation but doesnt actually explain anything, and I expect science to explain the world.

Re: Experts explore new mushroom which causes fairytale-like hallucinations

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Post by jacquesm »

squeefers wrote: post #261
jacquesm wrote: post #139

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It definitely is not useful. Your model should at least attempt to approximate reality, not to depart from it by putting effect before the cause. That way lies madness.

try telling that to quantum physicists... theyll just give you the wave function and say "well it works doesnt it"?

That's a bad take. I'm sure you can do a lot better than that.

Re: Experts explore new mushroom which causes fairytale-like hallucinations

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Post by itomato »

culi wrote: post #165
tt24 wrote: post #161

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Do you lot ever get tired of saying stuff like this? It’s not 2016 anymore, there’s no need for it.

Buddy relax. It's a joke about the way the drug war has historically developed. You might get more out of it if you read some history about marijuana in the US

You can stop though. Nobody on this side is served well by these ideas.

Re: Experts explore new mushroom which causes fairytale-like hallucinations

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Post by 5-0 »

jbkkd wrote: post #199
joquarky wrote: post #178

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But CBD does not need heat to convert. I have a hypothesis that taking cannabis (and especially CBD) out of our food chain may be contributing to the increase¹ in prevalence of chronic pain. ¹ https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC12588185/?utm_sourc...

When was cannabis ever in the human food chain?

While not being cannabis, breast milk contains endocannabinoids.

Re: Experts explore new mushroom which causes fairytale-like hallucinations

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Post by mapmeld »

card_zero wrote: post #63

So, about one mushroom species in five is poisonous. Why is the ratio so low, why are there lots of edible ones? Without hard-shelled seeds to spread, why be eaten? And the poisonous ones apparently don't use color as a warning signal, and don't smell all that bad, and some of the poisons have really mild effects, like "gives only some people diarrhea" or "makes a hangover worse". Meanwhile three of the deadliest spe…

Horizontal gene transfer is looking a lot more common than we learned in biology class. Fungi have a class of proteins (Starships) which transfer hundreds of genes, beetles picked up cellulose-digesting proteins from bacteria in their digestive tract and embryos.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Starship_(genetics)

Re: Experts explore new mushroom which causes fairytale-like hallucinations

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akka47 wrote: post #41
astronads wrote: post #2

It is interesting how the hallucinations consistently represent tiny people/elves to the mushroom consumer, even across geography/culture. I wonder what the brain is doing…

Since we're in the topic of elves and common hallucinations, I want to share these Salvia trip replicas that some say are extremely accurate: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z2IRKuS3sSE https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=65XfIpJdlEY

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Re: Experts explore new mushroom which causes fairytale-like hallucinations

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Post by jyounker »

tt24 wrote: post #161
culi wrote: post #94

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Just need a minority in America to associate it with

Do you lot ever get tired of saying stuff like this? It’s not 2016 anymore, there’s no need for it.

You appear to lack the historical knowledge to appreciate the joke:

The war on drugs was specifically designed to allow the government to go after the left and black people. Nixon's domestic policy chief said this in 1994:

* https://eji.org/news/nixon-war-on-drugs-designed-to-criminal...

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