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The e-scooter isn't new – London was zooming around on Autopeds a century ago

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Re: The e-scooter isn't new – London was zooming around on Autopeds a century ago

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post #14

> "(street background expanded)" As in... expanded using generative AI? (The perspective on the lamps is really off unless they're different size lamps)

I hate this. Why not show us the actual photo. Infuriating

Technically they do, just split into chunks interleaved with AI generated background. Original: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Priscilla_Norman#/media/File:L...

Re: The e-scooter isn't new – London was zooming around on Autopeds a century ago

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post #6

> The e-scooters that clutter up pavements may seem like a new thing, but a hundred years ago, there were already people zooming around London on powered scooters. The problem is that we've given so much space to automobiles that there's no room for anything else (bikes, scooters, etc). Pedestrians have been given a sliver only because drivers need to walk between parking and their destination. This is true even in c…

But this has been true every hundred years or so as technology changes and those that are building infrastructure know nothing else.

2000s : Damn these cars clogging up the road!

1900s : Damn these buggies clogging up the road!

1800s : Damn these carriages clogging up the road!

1700s : Damn these horses clogging up the road!

1600s : Damn these " " " " "

100BC : Damn these romans clogging up the road!

Re: The e-scooter isn't new – London was zooming around on Autopeds a century ago

#23
post #13

Earlier quoted context omitted.

London is edging in that direction with the introduction of "low traffic neighbourhoods". Basically this involves preventing vehicles using them as a through route, by limiting some connections to only emergency vehicles. The problem is that it's also annoying for residents as it means the allowed entry/exit routes aren't necessarily in the direction you need to go. Does Barcelona have a smarter method?

Isn’t the presumption that residents walk/bike/transit far more often than drive?

There is still pushback. I live in Toronto and when central businesses are canvassed about streetscape changes they overwhelmingly are against removing parking, access for cars, etc. They assume that 90% of their customers drive to them, but it turns out that it is closer to 10% for most of them.

Re: The e-scooter isn't new – London was zooming around on Autopeds a century ago

#24
post #6

> The e-scooters that clutter up pavements may seem like a new thing, but a hundred years ago, there were already people zooming around London on powered scooters. The problem is that we've given so much space to automobiles that there's no room for anything else (bikes, scooters, etc). Pedestrians have been given a sliver only because drivers need to walk between parking and their destination. This is true even in c…

Probably cause modern logistics, especially last mile logistics, is dependent on trucks/delivery vans/etc. So even though folks in a local area might like to walk around, their groceries won’t make it to the stores and packages won’t get to their homes without a robust road network. I think Bacerlona hits a good compromise. The city has the concept of a superblock, which is a few city blocks grouped into one calm zon…

> Probably cause modern logistics, especially last mile logistics, is dependent on trucks/delivery vans/etc. So even though folks in a local area might like to walk around, their groceries won’t make it to the stores and packages won’t get to their homes without a robust road network.

Totally. Banning automobiles is usually a bad idea, especially for residential zones. Years ago, I remember seeing a presentation about redeveloping a bad public housing block that was built in the 1960s with no auto-access (the assumption being poor people don't have cars), but it turns out that it meant they couldn't even get pizza.

Re: The e-scooter isn't new – London was zooming around on Autopeds a century ago

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post #13

Earlier quoted context omitted.

London is edging in that direction with the introduction of "low traffic neighbourhoods". Basically this involves preventing vehicles using them as a through route, by limiting some connections to only emergency vehicles. The problem is that it's also annoying for residents as it means the allowed entry/exit routes aren't necessarily in the direction you need to go. Does Barcelona have a smarter method?

Isn’t the presumption that residents walk/bike/transit far more often than drive?

That's unevenly distributed. Lots of people in London do walk or use public transport, but you still need many delivery drivers, tradespeople, etc and it doesn't make sense for them all to live outside the city. And people who don't usually drive occasionally need to use a vehicle, and then it's more stressful because you aren't used to having to know where the vehicular entrances are. It's too simplistic to just make provision for the majority and assume that it doesn't matter what the second order effects are.

Re: The e-scooter isn't new – London was zooming around on Autopeds a century ago

#26
post #12

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yes, using AI as per the filename "backgroundexpandedusingai" [0], it seems to be an expanded version of this pic from Wikipedia [1] (but blurrier). [0] https://8400e186.delivery.rocketcdn.me/articles/wp-content/u... [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Priscilla_Norman#/media/File:L...

Looks like the whole thing was run through AI, details on her face and scooter changed too.

And an oil drop on the street below the engine has disappeared.

Re: The e-scooter isn't new – London was zooming around on Autopeds a century ago

#27
My father was gifted a pair of these for his 50th birthday, would have been 1989, in London.

Little ICE scooters. They were a lot of fun and not very safe. We had drunk guests damaging themselves in the street.

They became toys for my brothers and I, who had plenty of accidents but learnt to ride them reasonably.

The engines didn’t idle particularly well and had no gears. You had to pull start, hop on and go quickly while reving just enough to idle without it moving. It took practice. You could push start too with some practice, especially once warm.

Lots of fun, but mileage wouldn’t have been great for serious use and refilling a pain at a regular petrol station. Might have been 2-stroke, I can’t remember. Tiny engine, closer to a strimmer than lawnmower.

Huge fun though for just bombing around on as a tween and young teen.

Re: The e-scooter isn't new – London was zooming around on Autopeds a century ago

#28
post #13

Earlier quoted context omitted.

London is edging in that direction with the introduction of "low traffic neighbourhoods". Basically this involves preventing vehicles using them as a through route, by limiting some connections to only emergency vehicles. The problem is that it's also annoying for residents as it means the allowed entry/exit routes aren't necessarily in the direction you need to go. Does Barcelona have a smarter method?

Isn’t the presumption that residents walk/bike/transit far more often than drive?

In the most central (and expensive) parts of London - “Zone 1”, where all the famous landmarks are - that is indeed a safe assumption.

But go to a less central area, like Hendon and you’re still very much within London, but every street is lined on both sides with parked cars.

Re: The e-scooter isn't new – London was zooming around on Autopeds a century ago

#29
Boy I had a liminal moment looking at these photos and videos - this all could easily have been a fun AI media project. In fact, I think the first photo used outpainting (“street background expanded” reads the subtitle).

I’m enjoying my last year or so of visual media trust, as ephemeral as that is in reality.

Re: The e-scooter isn't new – London was zooming around on Autopeds a century ago

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Probably cause modern logistics, especially last mile logistics, is dependent on trucks/delivery vans/etc. So even though folks in a local area might like to walk around, their groceries won’t make it to the stores and packages won’t get to their homes without a robust road network. I think Bacerlona hits a good compromise. The city has the concept of a superblock, which is a few city blocks grouped into one calm zon…

> Probably cause modern logistics, especially last mile logistics, is dependent on trucks/delivery vans/etc. So even though folks in a local area might like to walk around, their groceries won’t make it to the stores and packages won’t get to their homes without a robust road network. Totally. Banning automobiles is usually a bad idea, especially for residential zones. Years ago, I remember seeing a presentation abou…

>the assumption being poor people don't have cars

Some number of the people at the time likely noticed the lapse and thought to themselves "good, this will make it inconvenient for them to get a car that lets them easily get far from their designated area on a whim" so they kept their mouths shut.

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