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The e-scooter isn't new – London was zooming around on Autopeds a century ago

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Re: The e-scooter isn't new – London was zooming around on Autopeds a century ago

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Post by sheepscreek »

hylaride wrote: post #6

> The e-scooters that clutter up pavements may seem like a new thing, but a hundred years ago, there were already people zooming around London on powered scooters. The problem is that we've given so much space to automobiles that there's no room for anything else (bikes, scooters, etc). Pedestrians have been given a sliver only because drivers need to walk between parking and their destination. This is true even in c…

Probably cause modern logistics, especially last mile logistics, is dependent on trucks/delivery vans/etc. So even though folks in a local area might like to walk around, their groceries won’t make it to the stores and packages won’t get to their homes without a robust road network.

I think Bacerlona hits a good compromise. The city has the concept of a superblock, which is a few city blocks grouped into one calm zone. Most car traffic stays on the streets around the outside, the perimeter of the superblock. Inside, driving is restricted and only at low speeds where allowed, so people and bikes get the space. So deliveries and residents can still but only slowly.

That’s far from the only example - many cities in Asia follow a similar model.

Re: The e-scooter isn't new – London was zooming around on Autopeds a century ago

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Post by ksymph »

funwares wrote: post #10
bondarchuk wrote: post #7

> "(street background expanded)" As in... expanded using generative AI? (The perspective on the lamps is really off unless they're different size lamps)

Yes, using AI as per the filename "backgroundexpandedusingai" [0], it seems to be an expanded version of this pic from Wikipedia [1] (but blurrier). [0] https://8400e186.delivery.rocketcdn.me/articles/wp-content/u... [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Priscilla_Norman#/media/File:L...

Looks like the whole thing was run through AI, details on her face and scooter changed too.

Re: The e-scooter isn't new – London was zooming around on Autopeds a century ago

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Post by ajb »

sheepscreek wrote: post #11
hylaride wrote: post #6

> The e-scooters that clutter up pavements may seem like a new thing, but a hundred years ago, there were already people zooming around London on powered scooters. The problem is that we've given so much space to automobiles that there's no room for anything else (bikes, scooters, etc). Pedestrians have been given a sliver only because drivers need to walk between parking and their destination. This is true even in c…

Probably cause modern logistics, especially last mile logistics, is dependent on trucks/delivery vans/etc. So even though folks in a local area might like to walk around, their groceries won’t make it to the stores and packages won’t get to their homes without a robust road network. I think Bacerlona hits a good compromise. The city has the concept of a superblock, which is a few city blocks grouped into one calm zon…

London is edging in that direction with the introduction of "low traffic neighbourhoods". Basically this involves preventing vehicles using them as a through route, by limiting some connections to only emergency vehicles. The problem is that it's also annoying for residents as it means the allowed entry/exit routes aren't necessarily in the direction you need to go. Does Barcelona have a smarter method?

Re: The e-scooter isn't new – London was zooming around on Autopeds a century ago

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Post by alistairSH »

ajb wrote: post #13
sheepscreek wrote: post #11

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Probably cause modern logistics, especially last mile logistics, is dependent on trucks/delivery vans/etc. So even though folks in a local area might like to walk around, their groceries won’t make it to the stores and packages won’t get to their homes without a robust road network. I think Bacerlona hits a good compromise. The city has the concept of a superblock, which is a few city blocks grouped into one calm zon…

London is edging in that direction with the introduction of "low traffic neighbourhoods". Basically this involves preventing vehicles using them as a through route, by limiting some connections to only emergency vehicles. The problem is that it's also annoying for residents as it means the allowed entry/exit routes aren't necessarily in the direction you need to go. Does Barcelona have a smarter method?

Isn’t the presumption that residents walk/bike/transit far more often than drive?

Re: The e-scooter isn't new – London was zooming around on Autopeds a century ago

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Post by crazygringo »

hylaride wrote: post #6

> The e-scooters that clutter up pavements may seem like a new thing, but a hundred years ago, there were already people zooming around London on powered scooters. The problem is that we've given so much space to automobiles that there's no room for anything else (bikes, scooters, etc). Pedestrians have been given a sliver only because drivers need to walk between parking and their destination. This is true even in c…

> This is true even in cities where the majority of people don't even drive!

I dunno... in New York City there are an awful lot of bike lanes now:

https://www.google.com/maps/@40.7355559,-73.9921499,13z/data...

There's still room for a lot more, but plenty of space has been taken away from automobiles precisely for bikes, scooters, etc. It's trending in the right direction. Especially now that bike lanes are increasingly being designed with parking between the bike land and vehicle lanes.

Re: The e-scooter isn't new – London was zooming around on Autopeds a century ago

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Post by agumonkey »

xgulfie wrote: post #14
bondarchuk wrote: post #7

> "(street background expanded)" As in... expanded using generative AI? (The perspective on the lamps is really off unless they're different size lamps)

I hate this. Why not show us the actual photo. Infuriating

I wonder how we'll deal with the inability to tell what's true or not in the coming years. Even without full deepfakes.. just a gradual hypothetical restoration turning subtle hallucination in many many places.

Re: The e-scooter isn't new – London was zooming around on Autopeds a century ago

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Post by bluescrn »

ajb wrote: post #13
sheepscreek wrote: post #11

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Probably cause modern logistics, especially last mile logistics, is dependent on trucks/delivery vans/etc. So even though folks in a local area might like to walk around, their groceries won’t make it to the stores and packages won’t get to their homes without a robust road network. I think Bacerlona hits a good compromise. The city has the concept of a superblock, which is a few city blocks grouped into one calm zon…

London is edging in that direction with the introduction of "low traffic neighbourhoods". Basically this involves preventing vehicles using them as a through route, by limiting some connections to only emergency vehicles. The problem is that it's also annoying for residents as it means the allowed entry/exit routes aren't necessarily in the direction you need to go. Does Barcelona have a smarter method?

LTNs and pedestrianised areas are great for criminals on illegal high-powered e-bikes. Purpose-built getaway routes.
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