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US destroying its reputation as a scientific leader – European science diplomat

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Re: US destroying its reputation as a scientific leader – European science diplomat

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Post by wozer »

jvanderbot wrote: post #11
JumpCrisscross wrote: post #5

"In a parting shot before her retirement, the European Commission’s top science diplomat has castigated the US for destroying its reputation as a global scientific leader. ... Speaking at the European Science Diplomacy Conference in Copenhagen, she did not elaborate on exactly how the US was wrecking its reputation. ... The next programme, which starts in 2028, will also be more focused on European defence technology…

From the EU perspective, I can see why it pays to say the US is an unreliable or unnecessary partner. It may or may not be true, but cui bono: EU gets to reindustrialize and invest domestically. Seems like a great idea for EU and US both.

The US doesn't have any partners anymore, except for some small countries like Hungary and Israel.

Re: US destroying its reputation as a scientific leader – European science diplomat

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Post by kova12 »

zkmon wrote: post #22

It sounds more like a parroting of a popular sentiment as a conclusion, rather than providing a data-based assessment. What are the numbers? What's the real impact? How much lead does USA have over it's nearest competition?

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Re: US destroying its reputation as a scientific leader – European science diplomat

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Post by nemomarx »

joe_mamba wrote: post #29
drawnwren wrote: post #7

"says chief EU research diplomat" -- leaving off half the sentence sure does change the quote.

Also from the article: "Speaking at the European Science Diplomacy Conference in Copenhagen, she did not elaborate on exactly how the US was wrecking its reputation." For someone in the top position of EU's research leadership, she sure does seem to suck at explaining and arguing her statements, which should be the no. 1 skill of academics in research.

We have another article about the funding thing on the front page, so it's not a hard pattern to work out?

Re: US destroying its reputation as a scientific leader – European science diplomat

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Post by timcobb »

JKCalhoun wrote: post #24
meowface wrote: post #15

All I can say is let us all hope this is merely the American decade of humiliation and not the beginning of the American century of humiliation.

It might be what it takes though, 2nd place (if that), to get the U.S. to stop fucking around.

Usually the opposite of what happens to a power in decline

Re: US destroying its reputation as a scientific leader – European science diplomat

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Post by exceptione »

mlinhares wrote: post #3

Countries shouldn't have outsourced all research and development to the US, hope they all notice this wasn't a good plan and that they all need to get back to it right now.

Don't worry, countries didn't do that. Academia is quite strong outside of the US. Still a loss of course!

When we talk about innovation, hn has a narrow focus on the well-known monopolies. That is understandable, because they are well-known brands, not some obscure innovative Swiss company in a critical supply chain. Reality is more complex than we discuss about, fortunately enough.

But the focus on the winner-takes-all is also a bit unhealthy, because monopolies are the anti-thesis of a free market. A free market needs rules to keep it free and fair. I know, that conflicts with the sponsored narratives--how else can you get people to justify gatekeeper siphoning everyone of in their walled garden?

Re: US destroying its reputation as a scientific leader – European science diplomat

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Post by tensor »

drawnwren wrote: post #26
Angostura wrote: post #18

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I’m not sure it does. Particularly since the diplomat is outgoing

If you don't think a foreign diplomat's comments about a counterparty nation are potentially biased, we don't have enough common ground to warrant further discussion.

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Re: US destroying its reputation as a scientific leader – European science diplomat

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Post by zeroCalories »

I always feel weird reading statements from the EU regarding this relationship. There's always talk of the U.S abandoning it's position, guilt tripping, etc. but very little about what the EU plans to do in retaliation. Cut off the U.S from the research? Retaliatory tariffs? Why is the U.S leaving NATO a concern for the EU, but not a concern for the U.S? The fact that these are not the top talking points makes me think the U.S isn't entirely wrong in their approach.
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