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Airbus to migrate critical apps to a sovereign Euro cloud

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Re: Airbus to migrate critical apps to a sovereign Euro cloud

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Post by everfrustrated »

Sammi wrote: post #71
esperent wrote: post #58

It seems every single comment in the thread is understanding "cloud" here to mean AWS vs Hetzner. But it's clear from the first paragraph of the article that what they actually mean is MS 365 Dynamics vs SAP. They primarily want a managed ERP + CRM solution, not servers.

Cloud must be the most uselessly overloaded term ever. I have no way of knowing what you are actually talking about when you use it.

In there early days of cloud there were actual definitions created for it. Nobody seems to remember or care any more.

Re: Airbus to migrate critical apps to a sovereign Euro cloud

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Post by Workaccount2 »

Derbasti wrote: post #90
pembrook wrote: post #83

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Europe should be building domestic digital capacity regardless (and not just servers) but saying it needs to treat the US like China is a bit melodramatic given the economic and physical threat to Europe is 10X greater in the east. The US is not anti-Europe. The US has just begun to start evaluating its relationship with Europe rationally and wants it to grow up beyond the post-WW2 training wheels. The overreaction t…

The difference is, Europeans used to trust their US partners, and built a lot of infrastructure on US services. This trust has been betrayed, so things now need to change. It never existed to begin with with China, so no change is necessary. That's not "melodramatic".

There never was a relationship of mutual trust, it was always a relationship of Europe being under the wing of the US as a buffer against the USSR.

The US now wants to push Europe out of the nest, but most Europeans have only ever known life "living in their parents house".

Building an independent Europe is not compatible with the current European ethos of work/life/life/life balance, and will likely result in Europe either coming back to the US, falling into economic chaos, or moving into daddy Xi's house. They are a socialist country after all...

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Post by beAbU »

is_true wrote: post #220
beAbU wrote: post #209

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As a former Huawei phone owner, and a present Honor phone owner, Samsung LG and Sony does not hold a candle to the quality on offer from Honor and Huawei. And this is coming from someone who has owned multiple Samsungs over the years.

Huawei embeds ads in the stock apps. How can you have ads in a file manager app?

My default has always been replace the stock apps with the ones I'm most familiar with, so I never noticed the ads tbh.

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Post by everfrustrated »

tormeh wrote: post #176
keepamovin wrote: post #148

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Not Hetzner tho

I hesitate to call Hetzner "cloud". Hetzner is an EC2+S3 competitor, not an AWS one. IMO the minimum for being a real cloud is you need hosted Postgres, hosted Kafka, hosted Kubernetes, and S3-compatible object storage. Without the first three Hetzner is just not in the same product category. Nobody sensible buys AWS for the comically overpriced EC2.

Another missed component is a real autoscaling load balancer. This often gets missed and taken for granted. Possibly due to if you haven't seen a good one (AWS) you might not realise what you're missing. Most aspiring "cloud" companies have fixed capacity single tennant load balancers which is not cloud in any definition.

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Post by DaSHacka »

watwut wrote: post #242
andsoitis wrote: post #197

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> move away from a centralist, authoritarian model, EU is authoritarian? Why do you think that?

It insists on things like "corruption is bad", "human rights are for everyone including gays" so naturally certain conservative groups find that authoritarian.

also things such as chat control and surveilling the entire populace, but I'm sure you must be right that the problem people have with it is that they say "corruption is bad"

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Post by xethos »

ExoticPearTree wrote: post #225
rapnie wrote: post #178

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Yes, there is a lot of affinity towards Canada in Europa, I feel. Last Bastion of Democracy on the North-American continent, and not part of the whacky Trump-Atlantian Hemisphere.

Canada is as democratic as the UK…

Without agreeing or disagreeing, I will note that GP specifically called out North America

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Post by DaSHacka »

stavros wrote: post #189
Ray20 wrote: post #165

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> Even Zelenskyy acknowledged that the US provides more aid than the EU. And this is despite the fact that Europe has twice the population and doesn't have a vast ocean between it and Russia. Why does the population matter at all? The US GDP is $30T and the EU GDP is $21T.

Why does location not matter at all? We're halfway across the world, why should we be the ones contributing the majority of the funding?

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Post by fidotron »

ulfw wrote: post #145
petcat wrote: post #80

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> It's the same reason you don't want Chinese equipment in your telecommunications infrastructure. You can't trust what the Chinese government will do to it or with it. Doesn't Europe actually have a lot of Chinese equipment in their telecom infrastructure? Is this an effort just to try not to make that mistake again?

No, not a lot as the EU has two very competitive providers in Ericsson and Nokia

The entire problem is they aren't nearly as "very competitive" as would be politically convenient.

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Post by DaSHacka »

drysine wrote: post #181
Ray20 wrote: post #165

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>the EU has LITERALLY provided less aid to Ukraine than it has given to Russia The EU is buying resources from Russia, not providing aid to it.

Potato, Potato. Whether giving money with no strings attached or some strings attached, guess where that money is going to go.

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Post by jimnotgym »

JumpCrisscross wrote: post #211
jimnotgym wrote: post #25

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Was it laziness and stupidity, or was it protection money . I thought the deal since WW2 was a US security guarantee, in return for letting the US have our money. A protection racket. Or perhaps it was more like Europe paying tribute to its colonial master. Anyhow it is clear the protection is not to be relied upon, so it is time to stop paying. It is dangerous making deals with gangsters. It is perhaps more dangerou…

> I thought the deal since WW2 was a US security guarantee, in return for letting the US have our money No. The Marshall Plan was about rebuilding Europe so it could be a military ally against the Soviet Union. The trade stuff came afterwards.

Was the Marshall plan the only piece of policy between the US and Europe since WW2?
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