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Re: Airbus to migrate critical apps to a sovereign Euro cloud

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Post by PedroBatista »

sschueller wrote: post #226
breve wrote: post #4

A necessary step to reduce risk to infrastructure given that the US government has become erratic and has decided it is now anti-Europe. The US means to undermine the EU: https://www.dw.com/en/will-trump-pull-italy-austria-poland-h... The US means to annex European territory: https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/c0j9l08902eo It's the same reason you don't want Chinese equipment in your telecommunications infrastructure.…

> It's the same reason you don't want Chinese equipment in your telecommunications infrastructure. Hopefully now "Europe" will think before fire selling all of its hardware manufacturing companies to foreign firms.

Yeah, for those foreign firms to manufacture goods from US companies in order to fill Walmarts and number go up.

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Post by throw310822 »

kelvinjps10 wrote: post #249
throw310822 wrote: post #224

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> China is decidedly anti democratic and authoritarian Let's also say that democracy is very important internally. But as a EU citizen (or even better as a middle east citizen) whether they're democratic or authoritarian makes very little difference to me- I don't get a say in what they do. And in the case of the ME, it wasn't China or its allies that reduced several countries to rubble, it was the democratic US. > i…

By definition democracy and authoritarianim/dictatorship are no compatible

I'm not sure I understand what it means to be "compatible". We are talking about different countries with different regimes of course: in what sense two countries are or aren't compatible?

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Post by DiogenesKynikos »

petcat wrote: post #80
breve wrote: post #4

A necessary step to reduce risk to infrastructure given that the US government has become erratic and has decided it is now anti-Europe. The US means to undermine the EU: https://www.dw.com/en/will-trump-pull-italy-austria-poland-h... The US means to annex European territory: https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/c0j9l08902eo It's the same reason you don't want Chinese equipment in your telecommunications infrastructure.…

> It's the same reason you don't want Chinese equipment in your telecommunications infrastructure. You can't trust what the Chinese government will do to it or with it. Doesn't Europe actually have a lot of Chinese equipment in their telecom infrastructure? Is this an effort just to try not to make that mistake again?

How was it a mistake? Europe got a lot of good telecom infrastructure for a low price. There's no evidence it was compromised.

It was actually the US that was pressuring Europe to get rid of Chinese telecom equipment, as part of the first Trump administration's broader strategy against China.

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Post by ben_w »

kelvinjps10 wrote: post #249
throw310822 wrote: post #224

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> China is decidedly anti democratic and authoritarian Let's also say that democracy is very important internally. But as a EU citizen (or even better as a middle east citizen) whether they're democratic or authoritarian makes very little difference to me- I don't get a say in what they do. And in the case of the ME, it wasn't China or its allies that reduced several countries to rubble, it was the democratic US. > i…

By definition democracy and authoritarianim/dictatorship are no compatible

Only with a single nation.

Between nations, if that were so, no trade relationship would be possible between your go-to examples of each.

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Post by ExoticPearTree »

saubeidl wrote: post #136
ExoticPearTree wrote: post #129

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What socialism? What are you talking about? The EU parliament has a conservative majority [0], as does the Council. [1] It's a right-wing organization. I wish there was socialism, mate. [0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tenth_European_Parliament#Curr... [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Council_of_the_European_Union#...

So this is why they give out subsidies left and right? Is this why they are working on increasing taxes?

Right now in politics you can claim to be whatever you want and your policy stance to be opposite: I am on the right but I vote left wing measures.

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Post by carlosjobim »

andsoitis wrote: post #124
carlosjobim wrote: post #112

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The EU is not Europe. I never see any pro-EU sentiment anywhere besides on HN and Reddit. Talk to Europeans and they hate the EU and see it as an oppressive foreign power. Except for the Germans.

> Talk to Europeans and they hate the EU and see it as an oppressive foreign power. Your framing is off, I'm afraid. Across Europe, most people see the EU as more good than bad, especially compared to the alternative of countries acting alone. At the same time, support is often cautious rather than enthusiastic.

I've never seen any pro-EU attitude in the European countries I've lived in. Except for among the political and media class. But those aren't representatives of the general population.

But I haven't lived in central Europe, like Germany, Belgium, etc. Where the attitudes seem to be quite pro-EU.

The original statement still stands. Europe is not the EU. The EU is not Europe.

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Post by everfrustrated »

ExoticPearTree wrote: post #151
jimnotgym wrote: post #7

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I agree, this is a good thing. Long term stable large contracts are great simulation for a market. Airbus obviously has a large amount of military work, and its data needs to stay in Europe. What we also need is a faster acceleration of military spending so this can happen with more companies.

> thing. Long term stable large contracts are great simulation for a market. They are not. It can hurt Airbus very much if a provider says they can provide a certain level of hardware/software for 10 years and in three years the RAM or storage goes through the roof and the provider is not big enough to absorb all the losses. People don’t choose the hyperscalers because they are based in the US, they choose them becau…

There's a futures market for RAM prices if you want to hedge that risk. No different than corn.

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Post by ExoticPearTree »

nephanth wrote: post #140
ExoticPearTree wrote: post #115

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Socialist is a very weird term to use here. The eu is the epitome of neoliberalism, even more so than the us

Tge EU is liberal just as much as I’m asian…

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Post by alephnerd »

saubeidl wrote: post #214
ExoticPearTree wrote: post #157

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I'd argue the savages are the people shooting civilians.

The EU is so much more civilized by bribing Turkiye [0], Libya [1], Morocco, Mauritania, Tunisia [2], and other nations to shoot and/or indefinitely detain them for you guys instead.

Yet we as Americans are the savages.

European civil society needs to drop this charade of moralizing and being "rules based". The reality is EU policymakers are equally as mercurial and open to making deals with devils. The issue is a subset of you guys have a weird form of "white saviourship" and sense of exceptionalism.

Finally, a plurality of us Americans either never had or no longer have blood ties with Europe. As an Asian American who used to work om the Hill, I myself and my peers increasingly ignore or overlook Europe despite having went to college with a number of your up-and-coming decisionmakers. In 2025, the majority of us Americans are Latino, Black, Mixed, Asian, or multi-generational White American.

Any positive historical ties we had with Europe (in reality, a fluke from 1939-2011) was because of 1.5 gen Central and Eastern European immigrants turned NatSec Advisers like Kissinger (German), Albright (Czech), and Brzezinski (Polish). From a soft power perspective, when we don't look inward we increasingly look to Latin America or Asia. And economically as well - our total trade with all of Europe is barely $975B compared to $1.5T with all of the Americas and around $2-2.5T with Asia.

[0] - https://www.amnesty.org/en/latest/news/2017/03/the-eu-turkey...

[1] - https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2019/feb/05/eu-dea...

[2] - https://english.elpais.com/international/2024-06-01/mass-arr...

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