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while they're definitely overdoing it, i'd say that picking on spelling, grammar etc instead of the content is also low effort
Engineers who dismiss AI
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Re: Engineers who dismiss AI
#152Earlier quoted context omitted.
You can’t and that’s the new normal. We’re probably the only generation which was given an opportunity to get properly good at coding. No such luxury will be available in a few years optimistically; pessimistically it’s been taken away with GPT 5.2 and Opus 4.5.
If that's the case (and I'm not convinced it is), shouldn't retaining that skill be the priority for anyone who has already acquired it? I've yet to see any evidence AI can turn someone who can't code into a substitute for someone who can. If the supply of that skill is going to dry up, surely it will only become more valuable. If using AI erodes it, the logical thing would be not to use AI.
> If that's the case [...], shouldn't retaining that skill be the priority for anyone who has already acquired it?
Indeed I believe that, but in my experience these skills get more and more useless in the job market. In other words: retaining such (e.g. low-level coding) skills is an intensively practises hobby of such people that is (currently) of "no use" in the job market.
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#153Earlier quoted context omitted.
> You want to market to engineers, stick to provable statements. And that's where the "AI" is lacking. "AI can write a testcase". Can it write a _correct_ test case (i.e. one that i only have to review, like i review my colleague work) ? "AI can write requirements". Now, that i'm still waiting to see.
> Can it write a _correct_ test case And is the test case useful for something? On non textbook code?
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Re: Engineers who dismiss AI
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#155Earlier quoted context omitted.
Jenny, please try to conduct yourself with some sense of decorum here -- These are real people you're bullying. This isn't a hatemonger platform like some of the others. Please try to do better
That doesn't seem bullying to me
they called me an idiot in the other thread for pointing out AI is broader than just LLMs (after they called everyone that uses AI an idiot) lol they’re clearly very angry and bitter, and I believe this is not the first account they’ve made to bombard threads with insults. in another comment they advocate for insulting the “AI idiots”
it’s not bullying in that it’s more entertaining than insulting, but still
ah in another comment (I am enjoying reading these):
> Ruthlessly bully LLM idiots
quite openly advocating for “bullying” people that use the bad scary neural nets!
Re: Engineers who dismiss AI
#156I'm not an AI fanatic, but I do use ChatGPT often. In my experience, ChatGPT now is only marginally better than it was in 2022. The only real improvements is due to "thinking" abilities, i.e. searching the web and spending more tokens (basically prompting itself). The underlying model still to me feels largely the same.
I feel like I'm living in a different world when every time a new model comes out, everyone is in awe, and it scores exceptionally well on some benchmark that no one heard of before before the model even launched. And then when I use it, it feels like it's exactly the same as all models before, and makes the same stupid mistakes as always.
Re: Engineers who dismiss AI
#157Earlier quoted context omitted.
It might even be true this time, but there is no real mystery why many aren't inclined to invest more time figuring it out for themselves every few months. No need for the author of the original article to reach for "they are protecting their fragile egos" style of explanation.
The productivity improvements speak for themselves. Over time, those who can use ai well and those who cannot will be rewarded or penalized by the free market accordingly.
Do you have evidence?
Re: Engineers who dismiss AI
#158Earlier quoted context omitted.
Is it your intention to add anything else to this thread, besides insulting those enthusiastic about AI as 'idiots'?
it's not an insult, it's an observation
> push back by insulting AI idiots
you on another comment in here lol you’re blinded by the hate! let it flow through you! insult the users of the bad neural nets until the world heals! don’t back down!
Re: Engineers who dismiss AI
#159It's been somewhat disheartening to see many techie spaces (also HackerNews) become so skeptical and anti AI. It's as-if the luddites are at it again and they're just refuting progress because of a bad impression or because they fear the consequences. AI is a tool and it shuold be treated as such. Also, beware of snake oil salesmen. Is AI going to integrate widely into the world? Yes. Is it also going to destroy all…
New things are not always progress.
And even if LLMs turn out to really be a net positive and a requirement for the job, they're antithetical to what most software developers appreciate and enjoy (precision, control, predictability, efficiency...).
There sure seems to be two kinds of software developers: those who enjoy the practice and those who're mostly in for the pay. If LLMs win it will be second ones who'll stay on the job, and that's fine; it won't mean that the first group was made of luddites, but that the job has turned into crap that others will take over.
Re: Engineers who dismiss AI
#160> I copy from Stack Overflow constantly. I'm so tired of this kind of reference to Stack Overflow. I used SO for about 15 years, and still visit plenty these days. I rarely, if ever, copied from Stack Overflow. But I sure learned a great deal from SO.
That's great, but millions of others copy from it.
And those are the people who love AI.