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cough The Strange Case of "Engineers" Who Use AI I rely on AI coding tools. I don’t need to think about it to know they’re great. I have instincts which tell me convenience = dopamine = joy. I tested ChatGPT in 2022, and asked it to write something. It (obviously) got some things wrong; I don’t remember what exactly, but it was definitely wrong. That was three years ago and I've forgotten that lesson. Why wouldn't I?…

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I dont feel my coworkers who use AI finish task faster than the ones who dont.

i feel my coworkers who use AI are slower, stupider, and less trustworthy than my coworkers who don't.

by AI you mean LLMs right? I use a neural network to blur my background on Zoom calls, among other non-LLM usage

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from some of the engineers I've debated this over, I think some of them have just dug their heels in at this point and have decided they're never going to use LLM tools period, and are just clinging to the original arguments without really examining the reality of the situation. In particular this "The LLM is going to hallucinate subtle bugs I can't catch" one. The idea that LLMs make subtle mistakes that are somehow…

> The idea that LLMs make subtle mistakes that are somehow more subtle, insidious and uncatchable compared to any random 25 pull requests you get from humans is simply ridiculous.

This is plainly true, and you are just angry that you don't have a rebuttal

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It's been somewhat disheartening to see many techie spaces (also HackerNews) become so skeptical and anti AI. It's as-if the luddites are at it again and they're just refuting progress because of a bad impression or because they fear the consequences.

AI is a tool and it shuold be treated as such.

Also, beware of snake oil salesmen. Is AI going to integrate widely into the world? Yes. Is it also going to destroy all the jobs in the world? Of course not, luddites don't understand the naïvety of this position.

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I dont feel my coworkers who use AI finish task faster than the ones who dont.

i feel my coworkers who use AI are slower, stupider, and less trustworthy than my coworkers who don't.

This fits my experience: programmers who are very vocal in their hate of using AI for programming work have in my opinion traits that make them great programmers (but I have to admit that such people often do score not very high on the Agreeableness personality trait :-) ).

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

I mean, luddites have consistently been correct. Technological advancements have consistently been used to benefit the rich at the expense of regular people. The early Industrial Revolution that the original Luddites objected to resulted in horrible working conditions and a power shift from artisans to factory workers. Dadism was a reaction to WWI where the aristocracy's greed and petty squabbling led to 17 million d…

I don't disagree with that, just that there's anything that can be done about it. Which technology did we successfully roll back? Nukes are the closest I think you can get and those are very hard to make and still exist in abundance, we just somewhat controlled who can have them

> Which technology did we successfully roll back?

Quite a few come to mind: chemical and biological weapons, beanie babies, NFTs, garbage pail kids... Some take real effort to eradicate, some die out when people get bored and move on.

Today's version of "AI," i.e. large language models for emitting code, is on the level of fast fashion. It's novel and surprising that you can get a shirt for $5, then you realize that it's made in a sweatshop, and it falls apart after a few washings. There will always be a market for low-quality clothes, but they aren't "disrupting non-nudity."

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Yeah it boggles my mind all the people on here constantly dismissing LLMs. It's very clearly getting better and better rapidly. I don't think this train is stopping even if this bubble bursts. The cold ass reality is: We're going to need a lot less software engineers moving forward. Just like agriculture now needs way less humans to do the same work than in the past. I hate to be blunt but if you're in the bottom hal…

If you hate reading other people's code, then you'll hate reading llm generated code, then all you'll ever be with ai at best is yet another vibe coder who produces piles of code they never intend to read, so you should have found another career even before llms were a thing. Responsible use of ai means reading lots and lots of generated code, understanding it, reviewing and auditing it, not "vibe coding" for the pur…

> If you hate reading other people's code, then you'll hate reading llm generated code, then all you'll ever be with ai at best is yet another vibe coder who produces piles of code they never intend to read, so you should have found another career even before llms were a thing.

I do like to read other people's code if it is of an exceptional high standard. But otherwise I am very vocal in criticizing it.

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

i feel my coworkers who use AI are slower, stupider, and less trustworthy than my coworkers who don't.

by AI you mean LLMs right? I use a neural network to blur my background on Zoom calls, among other non-LLM usage

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Re: Engineers who dismiss AI

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Many have the attitude of finding one edge case that it doesn’t work well and dismiss AI as useful tool I’m an early adopter and nowadays all I do is to co-write context documents so that my assistant can generate the code I need AI gives you an approximated answer, it depends on you how to steer it to a good enough answer and this takes time and learning curve … and evolves really fast Some people are just not good…

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Jenny, please try to conduct yourself with some sense of decorum here -- These are real people you're bullying. This isn't a hatemonger platform like some of the others. Please try to do better
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