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that seems off
>50% in China
lol
Ford kills the All-Electric F-150
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It doesn't need to be a mass civilian death event. They can wait, collect data and kill 90% of our most important soldiers, heads of state, spies and everyone needed to maintain critical sectors of our economy. They could kill everyone who is anti-china. They could kill all the members of one political party (any one) as a false flag and cause a civil war. Surveillance technology is nessisarially selective, so these…
Again, they could just nuke us. Because if they did what you're suggesting, we would absolutely nuke them in response.
How would we know who did it? As I said earlier, it could be a false flag attack triggering a civil war, or a war with another mutual enemy.
China could kill every anti-russian politican with robots, and start a nuclear shootout between the US and Russia.
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Hauling capability is being able to tow safely. Thats the bare minimum. The other big thing is how often do you have to stop for gas. If you are towing a car trailer for example, you have quite a bit of drag. No matter what the power train is, your mileage goes down. Then you introduce things like mountain passes into the mix, and your mileage goes down. With EV you have to stop and wait to recharge, and at the mercy…
>If battery cells and interfaces were standardized every single gas station had ability to swap cells, then it would work. So what exactly doesn't work? You said it "can't haul" and "doesn't work" but you can't nail down a simple scenario where that applies.
Im saying it will never work in the sense of it will never beat out gas/diesel/hybrid options.
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Have you seen the prices of pre-owned Honda/Toyota sedans that are less than 5 years old? There are absolutely cars out there where trading in your new car after 3-4 years can make sense depending on the cost of the car, the depreciation curve, and whether you want to always be driving a relatively new car. Of course it's almost always going to be a better value proposition to drive the car for 10 years if you can, b…
The math doesn't work when you calculate the same thing based on buying low mileage used cars or leases. You're throwing large amounts of equity away every 4 years. Also electric cars get killed on the depreciation curve.
Low mileage used cars don't come with a warranty, or probably have a more limited warranty if they're CPO.
Leases can be better, but again they are usually better choices in high depreciation scenarios (like luxury vehicles or EVs, as you point out), not low depreciation scenarios.
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It’s quite sporty to drive but has about twice the torque you can easily put down with energy efficient ev tires in a small light FWD car so you need to go easy if you want tires to last. Handles great also. Those might be low specs nowadays but were respected performance car specs not long ago, and roads haven’t changed any- plus those were big specs at redline in a combustion engine, feels like a heck of a lot more…
What are you on about. 20 year basic crossover SUV has better 0-60.
I'm not talking about specs on paper, I'm talking about the actual experience of driving it in the real world. As the saying goes, “people buy horsepower but drive torque.” Horsepower on an electric motor vehicle is often effectively a software setting based on what RPM or top speed they allow, and the eGolf is set with a low rev limiter/top speed from the factory probably to limit battery temps.
For example, in the eGolf you have a flat torque curve with 100% of the power available instantly at any speed, without shifting.
A basic crossover SUV with a 4 cylinder engine and slippy/slow responding automatic can easily have more horsepower, and a faster 0-60, but still feel gutless in normal driving compared to the e-Golf because you have very little torque at normal RPMs, and you need to rev the engine to the redline to actually use the horsepower, which typically involves a lot of lag time, and then a lot of jerking and noise in your typical basic low end car.
You could for example compare it to a Nissan Rogue from the same era, which has 170 horsepower. The Rogue sometimes feels scary slow like it can’t get out of its own way and has to be floored and ran to the redline to get it really moving, whereas with the eGolf it takes some finess to launch it smooth without wheelspin due to the instant on torque. Most people would be shocked to hear that the Rogue technically has a more powerful motor.
Consider that the ALH TDI Golf and Jetta (diesel) had literally only 90 horsepower also with a totally flat torque curve, way less than the e-Golf, and are also feel a lot more sporty than your typical 4 cylinder gasoline economy car, despite being radically slower on paper, or floored in a straight line drag race.
Extend this to other cars- take an early Porsche Boxster with only 200 horsepower, one of the best drivers cars in history, but on paper slower than a lot of low end economy cars nowadays. But the amazing handling, and wide torque band let it hang with a lot of supercars in a real world track race. It would literally lose a drag race against a modern low end economy car, yet it feels way faster and is way faster on say, a track with turns.
The eGolf isn't a sports car, but it will never feel like it's lacking in power for normal driving.
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The math doesn't work when you calculate the same thing based on buying low mileage used cars or leases. You're throwing large amounts of equity away every 4 years. Also electric cars get killed on the depreciation curve.
> Also electric cars get killed on the depreciation curve. I have heard this a couple of times now, and I believe it. Is the cause battery wear or pure demand (buyers don't want used EVs for various non technical reasons)?
I think buyers just understand the value of a battery that they've cared for and babied compared to a battery with unknown history.
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What are you on about. 20 year basic crossover SUV has better 0-60.
I'm not talking about specs on paper, I'm talking about the actual experience of driving it in the real world. As the saying goes, “people buy horsepower but drive torque.” Horsepower on an electric motor vehicle is often effectively a software setting based on what RPM or top speed they allow, and the eGolf is set with a low rev limiter/top speed from the factory probably to limit battery temps. For example, in the…
e-Golf is one of the worst EVs and no matter your handwaving is going to help your case.
Yes it might have instant torque, but still way too little torque. Like comically little. And it weights almost as much as Model 3. It's a dog.
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I'm not talking about specs on paper, I'm talking about the actual experience of driving it in the real world. As the saying goes, “people buy horsepower but drive torque.” Horsepower on an electric motor vehicle is often effectively a software setting based on what RPM or top speed they allow, and the eGolf is set with a low rev limiter/top speed from the factory probably to limit battery temps. For example, in the…
e-Golf is one of the worst EVs and no matter your handwaving is going to help your case. Yes it might have instant torque, but still way too little torque. Like comically little. And it weights almost as much as Model 3. It's a dog.
Too little torque for what? I grew up driving full sized trucks and vans that had only half the power of an eGolf in a much larger heavier vehicle yet can still keep up with modern freeway traffic.
Model 3 isn’t even in the same league for build quality, driving experience, or overall design and engineering. It has a more powerful drivetrain and larger battery because it came out years later, but the Golf is all around a great car in all of its forms, and the model 3 is just not. It’s not a crazy powerful car but its no dog- it has twice the power most people will ever want or need for regular driving.
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e-Golf is one of the worst EVs and no matter your handwaving is going to help your case. Yes it might have instant torque, but still way too little torque. Like comically little. And it weights almost as much as Model 3. It's a dog.
Too little torque for what? I grew up driving full sized trucks and vans that had only half the power of an eGolf in a much larger heavier vehicle yet can still keep up with modern freeway traffic. Model 3 isn’t even in the same league for build quality, driving experience, or overall design and engineering. It has a more powerful drivetrain and larger battery because it came out years later, but the Golf is all arou…
For accelerating faster than 70s car...
I feel I'm arguing with a bot.
Re: Ford kills the All-Electric F-150
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Too little torque for what? I grew up driving full sized trucks and vans that had only half the power of an eGolf in a much larger heavier vehicle yet can still keep up with modern freeway traffic. Model 3 isn’t even in the same league for build quality, driving experience, or overall design and engineering. It has a more powerful drivetrain and larger battery because it came out years later, but the Golf is all arou…
For accelerating faster than 70s car... I feel I'm arguing with a bot.
If you actually thought you were arguing with a bot you wouldn’t bother replying. Most of those “slow” 70s cars with nowhere near the power of an eGolf could still leisurely cruise all day at over 100mph even up a grade, hit freeway speeds in a tiny fraction of the onramp, and keep up with freeway traffic towing a heavy trailer, for some reasonable context on what is actually needed and usable for transportation on public roads.
I feel I’m arguing with someone that has never actually driven a car, nor is able to have a civil disagreement like an adult. Your tone is simply not how we do things on HN.