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Re: US threatens EU digital services market access

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What alternatives to Microsoft, Google, IBM or AWS exist in Europe?

You're actually making the exact point you want to attack. That's why Europe needs that push to get their act together and start being self-sufficient, digital services-wise.

Digital Service dominance in this case isn't based on some trait of American Exceptionalism - or conversely based off some sort of lack of academic rigour or work ethic in European Entrepreneurship.

Rather, the current state of SaaS in the context of the historic stock market is a severe economic aberration divorced from any sort of valuation fundamentals like securities weighting. Instead we observe predatory VC and PE entities supported by a complimentary taxation and economic regime, all ultimately facilitated by the passing of the Gramm-Leach-Bliley Act.

In short, this notion of self-sufficiency is unachievable in the European context as it is predicated entirely upon wealth inequality and thumbing the scale of the free-market via lobbying, and is the doctrine denounced to the point of anathema in any Socialist Democracy.

The end result here is not some sort of organically earned digital services dominance - instead you end up with scenarios like forcing the FDIC to bail out the VC bank of Choice - SVB - where uninsured deposits were estimated to represent 89 percent of total deposits at the bank, totalling $18 billion of the ultimate $20 billion cost to the Deposit Insurance Fund.

Re: US threatens EU digital services market access

#92

Please destroy US tech, Ursula.

You are asking to severely damage the economy of the country providing your defense umbrella, when your continent is mired in a 3+ year land war.

US is trying to give Ukrainian land away for free to pacify Russia. EU ignored Crimea and Georgia. It didn't work. It won't work now, either.

Re: US threatens EU digital services market access

#93
A bit of a tangent here. I'm not a native English speaker but is it me or is this text badly written?

> The European Union and certain EU Member States have persisted in a continuing course of discriminatory and harassing lawsuits, taxes, fines, and directives against U.S. service providers.

Persisted in a continuing course, saying the same thing twice.

> In stark contrast, EU service providers have been able to operate freely in the United States for decades, benefitting from access to our market and consumers on a level playing field.

"Benefiting" is spelled with one t.

> If the EU and EU Member States insist on continuing to restrict, limit, and deter the competitiveness of U.S. service providers through discriminatory means...

Again, restricting and limiting mean the same thing. Also, can you deter competitiveness?

Re: US threatens EU digital services market access

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post #93

A bit of a tangent here. I'm not a native English speaker but is it me or is this text badly written? > The European Union and certain EU Member States have persisted in a continuing course of discriminatory and harassing lawsuits, taxes, fines, and directives against U.S. service providers. Persisted in a continuing course, saying the same thing twice. > In stark contrast, EU service providers have been able to oper…

Authoritarianism selects against competence.

Re: US threatens EU digital services market access

#95

Throwing stone from a glass box eh? If I understand correctly, US is by far the largest services exporter to EU… should EU merely apply the same “tariffs” that US might impose on these goods, some healthy European alternatives would finally gain some ground..

What alternatives to Microsoft, Google, IBM or AWS exist in Europe?

create a innovation fund by taxing them

starting at 20%, increasing 1% each month until the "liberation day" tariffs are dropped

the innovation fund should be structured build up local competitors to US hyperscalers

Re: US threatens EU digital services market access

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Which is a huge mistake. We should have learned that the USA can't be trusted when Nixon ended bretton woods so it didn't have to give France it's gold back.

The EU countries had decades to build and foster alternative companies yet they did not manage to do so. China did though. Was it a lack of political will or short-termed-ness? Maybe both but the end result is the same. You can't undo 20 years of inaction in a few years. It will take decades before viable EU competitors emerge and begin to rival US giants and that's if they even are allowed to do so in the first plac…

China blocked (many) US companies though, that enabled/forced the local companies to fill the void.

Re: US threatens EU digital services market access

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Remind me to never look at twitter replies again, by far most counterproductive threads I've seen

70% is bot traffic, the rest is brain damaged terminally online human shells. It really isn't representative of the real world average human intelligence and capacity to debate or even discuss ideas.

I hope the bots get the vote eventually. /s

Re: US threatens EU digital services market access

#98

The tariff talk was ostensibly because the EU exported more goods to the US than the US exported to EU. The US exports far more digital services to the EU, though. Understanding those things, it would seem a particularly unwise framing for the US government to focus on EU digital services exports. LLMs are rapidly commoditizing software, and in particular making it far easier to handle the regulatory compliance and r…

You have to understand who Trump's base is. They think factories> liberals in Seattle. Globalisation has made America the richest country on the planet. The real problem is that the money doesn't reach the "deplorable" population. But that is an INTERNAL issue that could have easily be solved with voting for Bernie Sanders. People vote against their own interests is a tale as old as democracy itself.

Are you saying trickle-down economics doesn't work? If those kids could read… what I do wonder is how tens of millions of Americans still think that it's other countries that are to blame for their poverty or struggles. Baffling. If you ARE in the richest country, wouldn't you at least blame something internal?

Re: US threatens EU digital services market access

#99
post #96

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The EU countries had decades to build and foster alternative companies yet they did not manage to do so. China did though. Was it a lack of political will or short-termed-ness? Maybe both but the end result is the same. You can't undo 20 years of inaction in a few years. It will take decades before viable EU competitors emerge and begin to rival US giants and that's if they even are allowed to do so in the first plac…

China blocked (many) US companies though, that enabled/forced the local companies to fill the void.

That's my point. This was a decision by China. European countries were happy to just let the US in and not have to worry about building their own alternative versions of the US services.

Now the same EU countries are waking up and realizing that having pieces of your digital infrastructure in someone else's hands was bad bet but unfortunately, it will take decades to build the same thing in the EU.

Re: US threatens EU digital services market access

#100
post #93

A bit of a tangent here. I'm not a native English speaker but is it me or is this text badly written? > The European Union and certain EU Member States have persisted in a continuing course of discriminatory and harassing lawsuits, taxes, fines, and directives against U.S. service providers. Persisted in a continuing course, saying the same thing twice. > In stark contrast, EU service providers have been able to oper…

Benefitting can be spelled with two Ts. It's more commonly a British English spelling, and British English is often taught to non-native speakers in school. Using "harassing" as an adjective is also the kind of mistake non-native speakers make. Probably whoever wrote this tweet didn't learn English in America.
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