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Re: US threatens EU digital services market access

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Throwing stone from a glass box eh? If I understand correctly, US is by far the largest services exporter to EU… should EU merely apply the same “tariffs” that US might impose on these goods, some healthy European alternatives would finally gain some ground..

What alternatives to Microsoft, Google, IBM or AWS exist in Europe?

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#12

Yay, jackpot! We taunted the monkey in the glass box into throwing the first stone. The EU is just itching for any opportunity to get rid of US tech firms because they’re increasingly seen as sovereignty risks. And while the GDPR fines (that this likely refers to) appear huge on absolute terms, they are still low enough that US firms voluntarily decide to violate those laws and just pay the fines. The US sees TikTok…

> the GDPR fines (that this likely refers to)

I think the American government is mad at the DMA more than anything. Breaking up the monopolies that are currently firmly held by American tech giants goes directly against the interests of the White House, especially now that they're able to openly bribe the president.

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If American companies don’t respect Europe regulation it’s time to Europe invest in dedicated software competing with office 365, social networks, even android/apple/windows os.

Many EU Governments run entirely on MS/Meta/Amazon and to a lessor extent Google services. Many (most?) government services run on Azure or AWS, and huge parts of the continent run on WhatsApp.

Re: US threatens EU digital services market access

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Throwing stone from a glass box eh? If I understand correctly, US is by far the largest services exporter to EU… should EU merely apply the same “tariffs” that US might impose on these goods, some healthy European alternatives would finally gain some ground..

What alternatives to Microsoft, Google, IBM or AWS exist in Europe?

If these hadn't been allowed to emerge as monopolies we would have a wider selection.

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

What alternatives to Microsoft, Google, IBM or AWS exist in Europe?

If these hadn't been allowed to emerge as monopolies we would have a wider selection.

Is that really the case for the EU? The EU doesn’t seem to foster an environment for competitive companies that can operate at the necessary scale the above listed can.

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The E.U. making life difficult for U.S.-based monopolists, and the U.S. making life difficult for E.U.-based monopolists? For a net effect of life being difficult for all monopolists?

Well, that sounds like a wonderful idea!

I am all for it. Through this model, we might actually enjoy effective antitrust enforcement, and escape regulatory capture! Who would have thought that this day would ever come? Once again, it turns out I have been too cynical all my life.

Re: US threatens EU digital services market access

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post #3

If American companies don’t respect Europe regulation it’s time to Europe invest in dedicated software competing with office 365, social networks, even android/apple/windows os.

Many EU Governments run entirely on MS/Meta/Amazon and to a lessor extent Google services. Many (most?) government services run on Azure or AWS, and huge parts of the continent run on WhatsApp.

Which is a huge mistake.

We should have learned that the USA can't be trusted when Nixon ended bretton woods so it didn't have to give France it's gold back.

Re: US threatens EU digital services market access

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If American companies don’t respect Europe regulation it’s time to Europe invest in dedicated software competing with office 365, social networks, even android/apple/windows os.

Many EU Governments run entirely on MS/Meta/Amazon and to a lessor extent Google services. Many (most?) government services run on Azure or AWS, and huge parts of the continent run on WhatsApp.

And are rushing to get away! I work on a product thats source available and self hosted. Many of our new customers are EU gov agencies.

Re: US threatens EU digital services market access

#20

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If these hadn't been allowed to emerge as monopolies we would have a wider selection.

Is that really the case for the EU? The EU doesn’t seem to foster an environment for competitive companies that can operate at the necessary scale the above listed can.

LIDL the supermarket chain is German and is running a large cloud operation inside the EU. And OVH from France is also pretty big.

You’re correct that few EU companies get as large as US monopolies, but that’s kind of the goal when you want a functioning market.

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