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Post by gkoberger »

SamDc73 wrote: post #668
CuriousRose wrote: post #658

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Fully agree with this. - Mozilla SSL Certs - for corporations that don't want Let's Encrypt - Mozilla Mail - a reliable Exchange/Google Mail alternative (desperately needed imo) - Thunderbird for iOS - why is this not a thing yet? - Mozilla Search - metasearch that isn't based on Bing/DDG/Google - Mozilla HTTPS DNS - although Cloudflare will probably always do this better All seemingly low-hanging fruit with brand al…

> Mozilla Mail - a reliable Exchange/Google Mail alternative (desperately needed imo) I think the privacy industry is oversaturated we already have: ProtonMail, Tuta and Mailbox Mail

Agreed, this is why I think they should buy.

Re: Mozilla appoints new CEO Anthony Enzor-Demeo

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Post by kevin_thibedeau »

wtallis wrote: post #591
troyvit wrote: post #588

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> With Pocket, Mozilla forced it on everyone, It was ridiculously easy to turn off. Making a fairly non-obtrusive service opt-out instead of opt-in is not forcing it on everyone.

They literally forced every user to either accept the invasion of the proprietary service, or have to take extra steps to disable it on each of their devices. Neither of those is actually a reasonable, respectful way to treat your users.

How much are you paying, again?

Re: Mozilla appoints new CEO Anthony Enzor-Demeo

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Post by chrismorgan »

glenstein wrote: post #466
wvh wrote: post #308

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I'm still sad they shelved Mozilla Persona due to low adoption. There is a hole in the market around privacy and identity, and Mozilla would be a natural choice to fill it, but it's going to be an uphill battle to get major sites and end users on board. Not a job to be envious about indeed.

And just to add, I kind of mourn FirefoxOS. We couldn't have guessed it at the time, but as of 2025, Google is pushing developer verification and stepping closer and closer to ecosystem lockdown. It would have been a great time for an alternative mobile OS 10+ years in the making, to welcome all the energy that has gone into beautiful projects like F-Droid. If I could time travel into the past, in addition to prevent…

> We couldn't have guessed it at the time, but as of 2025, Google is pushing developer verification and stepping closer and closer to ecosystem lockdown.

We did guess it. Google were already past their “don’t be evil” days in 2013. They were possibly better than other companies of similar scale, but the decline was already clearly beginning. People had long warned that Google could not be trusted to keep Android open in the long term, that eventually their benevolence would fade. A good chunk of the enthusiasm around Firefox OS was in breaking the duopoly and the idea of a platform that would be much harder to lock down.

Re: Mozilla appoints new CEO Anthony Enzor-Demeo

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Post by wtallis »

kevin_thibedeau wrote: post #672
wtallis wrote: post #591

Earlier quoted context omitted.

They literally forced every user to either accept the invasion of the proprietary service, or have to take extra steps to disable it on each of their devices. Neither of those is actually a reasonable, respectful way to treat your users.

How much are you paying, again?

Price is irrelevant. Mozilla's behavior with Pocket was at odds with Mozilla's stated goals and values.

Re: Mozilla appoints new CEO Anthony Enzor-Demeo

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Post by endgame »

kevin_thibedeau wrote: post #672
wtallis wrote: post #591

Earlier quoted context omitted.

They literally forced every user to either accept the invasion of the proprietary service, or have to take extra steps to disable it on each of their devices. Neither of those is actually a reasonable, respectful way to treat your users.

How much are you paying, again?

That's not an argument when the Mozilla Foundation makes it structurally impossible to fund Firefox.

Re: Mozilla appoints new CEO Anthony Enzor-Demeo

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Post by wtallis »

moogly wrote: post #664
wtallis wrote: post #615

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Sure, living with the nuisance of the advertising and UI clutter is an option, as I said. But the fact that they were relatively minor nuisances compared to eg. Windows 11's BS doesn't change the fact that they were still unwelcome and unnecessary and disrespectful. I don't think there's anything radical about my stance that a new toolbar button showing up—with advertising calling attention to it—integrating a propri…

> Sure, living with the nuisance of the advertising and UI clutter is an option about:config extensions.pocket.enabled set to `false`. That's how hard that used to be.

Anything requiring messing with about:config is an unreasonable way to treat non-technical users. And the point I've already made that you're ignoring is that the complexity of the workaround is not the problem—the necessity of taking action to disable Pocket is what was most concerning about what Mozilla did.

Re: Mozilla appoints new CEO Anthony Enzor-Demeo

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Post by amluto »

CuriousRose wrote: post #658
gkoberger wrote: post #275

Having worked at Mozilla a while ago, the CEO role is one I wouldn't wish on my worst enemy. Success is oddly defined: it's a non-profit (well, a for-profit owned by a non-profit) that needs to make a big profit in a short amount of time. And anything done to make that profit will annoy the community. I hope Anthony leans into what makes Mozilla special. The past few years, Mozilla's business model has been to just m…

Fully agree with this. - Mozilla SSL Certs - for corporations that don't want Let's Encrypt - Mozilla Mail - a reliable Exchange/Google Mail alternative (desperately needed imo) - Thunderbird for iOS - why is this not a thing yet? - Mozilla Search - metasearch that isn't based on Bing/DDG/Google - Mozilla HTTPS DNS - although Cloudflare will probably always do this better All seemingly low-hanging fruit with brand al…

How about: Mozilla HTTPS To My Router (or printer or any other physically present local object) in a way that does not utterly suck?

Seriously, there’s a major security and usability problem, it affects individual users and corporations, and neither Google nor Apple nor Microsoft shows the slightest inclination to do anything about it, and Mozilla controls a browser that could add a nice solution. I bet one could even find a creative solution that encourages vendors, inoffensively, to pay Mozilla a bit of money to solve this problem for them.

Also:

> Thunderbird for iOS - why is this not a thing yet?

Indeed. Apple’s mail app is so amazingly bad that there’s plenty of opportunity here.

Re: Mozilla appoints new CEO Anthony Enzor-Demeo

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Post by ipdashc »

NegativeK wrote: post #646

One of the secondary awful things about AI is that I have to hear news sources I like listening to complain about it constantly. This AI hype is frustrating, but it's also frustrating that it dominates conversations with valid points that are identical to the last five times it was talked about.

At this point it's almost more annoying than the AI hype in the first place.

The hype by now at least seems pretty much self aware. It's mind-boggling to me that people don't realize all the Mozilla stuff is completely empty/PR fluff. You have to say you're an "AI first company" because that's the only thing investors want to hear in 2025. Everyone knows it's all fluff, they say it anyways. I will wait and see if it actually meaningfully affects their product or not.

The complaints meanwhile are spammed everywhere, and like you said, it's the same exact content every time. We get it, new features that you aren't going to use are annoying. Disable them or just don't use them, is is really that big a deal? The CEO literally says they will all be able to be disabled.

Re: Mozilla appoints new CEO Anthony Enzor-Demeo

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Post by miki_oomiri »

mmooss wrote: post #551
miki_oomiri wrote: post #39

If I were the CEO, I would: - focus 100% on Firefox Desktop & Mobile - just a fast solid minimalist browser (no AI, no BS) - other features should be addons - privacy centric - builtin, first-class, adblocker - run on donations - partner with Kagi - layoff 80% of the non-tech employees I worked for them for many years, I guarantee you that Mozilla will be fine without all the non-sense people, just put engineers in c…

> Mozilla will be fine without all the non-sense people, just put engineers in charge. That's always said by the engineers and never seems more than the obvious egocentric bias: What I do is important, everyone and everythying else is pointless.

Yep. I’ll die on the hill. Engineer and designers. That’s all we really need.

We started with a very very small team and did all the heavy lifting. Then they started adding PM, marketing, market people, HR, …

We were striving when we were not drowning in meetings, KPIs, management, emails, …

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