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Re: Mozilla appoints new CEO Anthony Enzor-Demeo

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Post by sfink »

smt88 wrote: post #491
sfink wrote: post #464

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Not relevant here. Yes, you can donate to Mozilla.org and stipulate whatever you like, but Mozilla.org does not develop Firefox so telling them to use it for developing Firefox will do about as much good as telling them to use it to resurrect unicorns. Mozilla.org owns Mozilla Corporation, which is a for-profit entity that develops Firefox, but thus far the corporation hasn't wanted the complications and restrictions…

Everything I can find online says that there are contributors working for both Mozilla Foundation and Mozilla Corporation

Contributors are people. Donations are dollars. People ≠ dollars.

Unless you grind them up and eat them as sausages, but don't do that. The anti-theft threads will get stuck in your teeth.

Re: Mozilla appoints new CEO Anthony Enzor-Demeo

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Post by rtpg »

cjpearson wrote: post #489
viraptor wrote: post #447

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> You can't charge for it They could try. I just keep hearing people who would pay for no extra features as long as it paid for actual Firefox development and not the random unrelated Mozilla projects. I would pay a subscription. But they don't let me.

You can't effectively paywall it because not only is it open source, but there are many nearly equivalent competitors all of which are free. Any subscribers would essentially be donors. There are people like yourself who would be happy to donate, but not nearly enough. Replacing MoCo's current revenue with donors would require donations at the level of Doctors without Borders, American Cancer Society, or the Make-a-W…

Thunderbird has succeeded at doing this and is in a somewhat similar spot (though huge asterisk there given the existence of Chrome)

Re: Mozilla appoints new CEO Anthony Enzor-Demeo

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Post by stephen_g »

smaudet wrote: post #295
netdevphoenix wrote: post #118

I love Mozilla but this feels like marketing imo. From the article: "AI should always be a choice — something people can easily turn off" and "Firefox will remain our anchor. It will evolve into a modern AI browser". I highly doubt you will be able to turn of the transformer tech features in an AI browser imo. And they won't make a separate browser for this. This really feels like the beginning of the end for Mozilla…

> This really feels like the beginning of the end for Mozilla, sadly. I really feel like every time Mozilla announces something, someone gets paid to leave comments like this around. I've seen many "beginning of the end" comments like this, and so far, it hasn't happened. What I do see is a lot of bashing, and hypocrisy, and excuses for why its OK that you don't personally try to do better...

Even as someone who is still a Firefox user - the browser now has about half the browser market share as Edge... Absolutely nobody needs to be paid to write these kind of comments!

Honestly the last 5-10 years has been a disaster for Firefox...

Re: Mozilla appoints new CEO Anthony Enzor-Demeo

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Post by fsflover »

ethbr1 wrote: post #478
wvh wrote: post #308

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I'm still sad they shelved Mozilla Persona due to low adoption. There is a hole in the market around privacy and identity, and Mozilla would be a natural choice to fill it, but it's going to be an uphill battle to get major sites and end users on board. Not a job to be envious about indeed.

1000% The two places it's mind boggling that Mozilla doesn't have a product are (1) identity (especially as a provider to 3rd parties) and (2) instant messaging (especially on mobile). They were important 10 years ago, they're more important today, and the existing providers all have huge privacy concerns.

> instant messaging

Doesn't Mozilla have their own Matrix server?

Re: Mozilla appoints new CEO Anthony Enzor-Demeo

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Post by lionkor »

ares623 wrote: post #417
lionkor wrote: post #125

Well Ladybird [0] it is [0]: https://ladybird.org/

I know it's very shallow but the marketing page gives me the ick. I have been Pavlov'd that websites with such designs are scams/vaporware.

Fair, but I've been following Andreas Kling since he started (publically) with SerenityOS back a couple years ago, and he's a real hacker -- as real as they come.

I've watched hours of how he works on YouTube, it's fantastic, if anyone can lead a browser team, its him.

Re: Mozilla appoints new CEO Anthony Enzor-Demeo

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Post by throwup238 »

wtallis wrote: post #562
array_key_first wrote: post #539

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You don't really seem to be trying to fairly describe the problem. With Pocket, Mozilla forced it on everyone, then two years later they bought the service, then many years later they eventually killed it for everyone. They didn't even try the approach of making it an opt-in extension that users could install if they desired. The unoffensive strategy was obvious all along, and they just didn't choose that route. The…

That unforced error was particularly egregious considering that tab containers and Facebook containers are optional addons that are well integrated into the browser.

Re: Mozilla appoints new CEO Anthony Enzor-Demeo

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Post by autoexec »

macspoofing wrote: post #419
gkoberger wrote: post #275

Having worked at Mozilla a while ago, the CEO role is one I wouldn't wish on my worst enemy. Success is oddly defined: it's a non-profit (well, a for-profit owned by a non-profit) that needs to make a big profit in a short amount of time. And anything done to make that profit will annoy the community. I hope Anthony leans into what makes Mozilla special. The past few years, Mozilla's business model has been to just m…

> What Mozilla is good at ... Firefox - the one thing they do not want to work on is the only thing that makes them special.

I might be in the minority here, but I actually like Thunderbird.

Re: Mozilla appoints new CEO Anthony Enzor-Demeo

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Post by troyvit »

wtallis wrote: post #562
array_key_first wrote: post #539

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You don't really seem to be trying to fairly describe the problem. With Pocket, Mozilla forced it on everyone, then two years later they bought the service, then many years later they eventually killed it for everyone. They didn't even try the approach of making it an opt-in extension that users could install if they desired. The unoffensive strategy was obvious all along, and they just didn't choose that route. The…

> With Pocket, Mozilla forced it on everyone,

It was ridiculously easy to turn off. Making a fairly non-obtrusive service opt-out instead of opt-in is not forcing it on everyone.

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Post by tigroferoce »

tikhonj wrote: post #508
rdiddly wrote: post #427

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There are about 800 unique weekly committers to the Chromium project, so that's a start at gauging the number for that project. A little harder to find that same figure for Firefox, but Wikipedia says Mozilla Corp had about 750 employees as of 2020. Anyway, if you have $50M, you can afford 500 people at $100k, or 250 people at $200k. So you simply declare, this is how many people it takes to make a browser, and set y…

You're significantly underestimating fully-loaded cost per person + other expenses. An engineer making a $200k salary is going to cost the company something like $300k, and there are some additional fixed overheads. And $200k is quite a bit less than your competitors are paying. So you're looking at something more like 150 employees total of which <100 are going to be pure engineers, and that's stretching your budget…

Working at Mozilla should be more than money. $200k/year is more than enough to be happy in most of the world. You don't need to compete on rock stars that must live in San Francisco, and focus on people that are happy with a high paying job and have enough idealism to accept "only" $200k/year.

Re: Mozilla appoints new CEO Anthony Enzor-Demeo

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Post by mmooss »

hamdingers wrote: post #573
mmooss wrote: post #548

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What is that based on? You can trust your doctor much more about your knee and much less about their billing. Trust isn't binary and isn't per person/organization/object, but varies by person and (activity?). And anything will be trusted more or less by different people. Is there evidence of who trusts Mozilla with what, and how much? The the fact that you don't trust them or that some on HN don't trust them isn't ev…

That's a great question, honestly, and I like your framing of trust. I do not trust Mozilla to keep a product alive. I was frustrated by Firefox OS and more recently Pocket, but everything they've tried or acquired aside from the browser itself (and Thunderbird I guess?) has failed and been shut down. That has burned a lot of people along the way. For this reason I can't see myself becoming a user of any future Mozil…

That makes much more sense. I wonder what the non-HN public thinks - most of those products, like Firefox OS, were essentially unknown outside HN-like populations. Pocket was better known.

But yes, that is part of trust and I'd like to see them address it.

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